Comments Thread For: WBC Prez Clarifies Position on Banning Fathers as Trainers

[angkag]

I'd like to know what tragedies Sulaiman is referring to.

Can't help but wonder if he's looking at the Eubanks.......(not a medical tragedy, more a comedic one)

[RyanjLarose]

That's a rubbish suggestion. The best fighter to ever lace gloves Floyd Mayweather was 2. trained by the best boxing trainer ever born Floyd Mayweather Sr

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Cus d'amato
Ray Arcel
Mannie Steward
Eddie Futch
Nacho
Angelo Dundee

[Eff Pandas]

Sulaiman's talking out of his plus-sized ass. A boxer having his dad as a trainer present's no more danger than any other trainer would.

Not necessarily true. If you look at ring deaths there is a higher % of fathers working the corner.

The part of the equation we don't know is how high is that % in comparison to fathers training sons in general. If there are 60% of fathers training sons in boxing & 70% of ring deaths are father/son situations than its a bump up then you'd expect, but nothing crazy. If 33% of fathers train their sons in boxing & 70% of ring deaths are father/son situations there is a bit of a problem or at minimum a statistical anomaly.

I don't see nothing wrong at all with WBC Guy bringing this up. His wrong move was his hint or suggestion with the news originally that fathers might not be allowed in the corner which was meant with all sorts of criticism. And fairly criticized obviously cuz it sounds a lil crazy & not an attainable goal if we are being any kind of reasonable with how boxing is organized.

That said if there is something going on with fathers in the corners of their sons that lead to more ring deaths than you'd expect maybe there are things that can be done after finding out why that is & attempting to fix it without taking life long trainer fathers out of the corners.

I for one think having an impartial 3rd party in the corner with the ability to call a fight based on things that person sees might not be a bad idea. Cuz I've seen some fights, one more recently although I don't recall who it was, where a fighter was trying to quit & his corner was basically ignoring him. He got stopped in the next round, but there was no reason he shoulda been allowed out of the corner if his trainer (idr if it was his dad or not) was listening to him & was taking into account his long term best interests.

[EDD1]

It doesn't sound like a good solution, they are exploring way to avert these tragedies but the idea is narrow.

Maybe the best thing to do is to investigate what kind of commitment was made to the fighters preparation during training, by this I mean how close was the trainer to his fighter and how well did the trainer know his fighters capacity to compete at a high level. For example: if a trainer is only available minimally because he's got a large stable and then demands the fighter continue when over matched, that is often where fighter might be expected to dig deep when they really don't have the ability, if said trainer simply hopes for a lucky win then he's less likely to know when his fighter is over matched.
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This link is the last case I know of where a father was at the helm and the tragedy was simply impossible to see, twitch's dad is his trainer and nor he, the dr or the ref could have know the extent of his damage

[Eff Pandas]

I'd like to know what tragedies Sulaiman is referring to.

There are many. Daniel Franco is among the more recent example of a guy who was seriously injured in the ring with his dad working the corner.

I was talking about this topic with a dude a couple years back here. It was eye opening.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=709134

But as I said in my last post its hard to say its a true problem til you look at trainer relationships & how many are father/son situations. If 60% of training situations are father/son & 70% of ring deaths/severe injuries are father/son idk that there is really a problem. If 33% of training situations are father/son & 70% of ring deaths/severe injuries are father/son I'd say there is a chance there is a problem.

[EDD1]

Not necessarily true. If you look at ring deaths there is a higher % of fathers working the corner.

The part of the equation we don't know is how high is that % in comparison to fathers training sons in general. If there are 60% of fathers training sons in boxing & 70% of ring deaths are father/son situations than its a bump up then you'd expect, but nothing crazy. If 33% of fathers train their sons in boxing & 70% of ring deaths are father/son situations there is a bit of a problem or at minimum a statistical anomaly.

I don't see nothing wrong at all with WBC Guy bringing this up. His wrong move was his hint or suggestion with the news originally that fathers might not be allowed in the corner which was meant with all sorts of criticism. And fairly criticized obviously cuz it sounds a lil crazy & not an attainable goal if we are being any kind of reasonable with how boxing is organized.

That said if there is something going on with fathers in the corners of their sons that lead to more ring deaths than you'd expect maybe there are things that can be done after finding out why that is & attempting to fix it without taking life long trainer fathers out of the corners.

I for one think having an impartial 3rd party in the corner with the ability to call a fight based on things that person sees might not be a bad idea. Cuz I've seen some fights, one more recently although I don't recall who it was, where a fighter was trying to quit & his corner was basically ignoring him. He got stopped in the next round, but there was no reason he shoulda been allowed out of the corner if his trainer (idr if it was his dad or not) was listening to him & was taking into account his long term best interests.

This is on point man, there will always be small indicators that are easily over looked by trainers, not just father trainers, that tend to be ignored during the moment.

[anonymous2.0]

There are many. Daniel Franco is among the more recent example of a guy who was seriously injured in the ring with his dad working the corner.

I was talking about this topic with a dude a couple years back here. It was eye opening.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=709134

But as I said in my last post its hard to say its a true problem til you look at trainer relationships & how many are father/son situations. If 60% of training situations are father/son & 70% of ring deaths/severe injuries are father/son idk that there is really a problem. If 33% of training situations are father/son & 70% of ring deaths/severe injuries are father/son I'd say there is a chance there is a problem.

thanks, will check this out later when I get time

[kafkod]

Not necessarily true. If you look at ring deaths there is a higher % of fathers working the corner.

The part of the equation we don't know is how high is that % in comparison to fathers training sons in general. If there are 60% of fathers training sons in boxing & 70% of ring deaths are father/son situations than its a bump up then you'd expect, but nothing crazy. If 33% of fathers train their sons in boxing & 70% of ring deaths are father/son situations there is a bit of a problem or at minimum a statistical anomaly.

Statistics can sometimes be very misleading. The actual percentage of boxers who are trained by their fathers is tiny, nowhere near 60%, and deaths/serious injuries in the ring are, thankfully, very rare. Statistically, boxing is one of the safest sports.

So just one death/serious injury of a boxer who happens to be trained by his father would skew the numbers in a way that doesn't the reality of the situation.

[kafkod]

If we could ban guys who run sanctioning organisations from passing their jobs on to their sons, that would do more good for the sport than banning fathers from training sons.

[Eff Pandas]

Statistics can sometimes be very misleading. The actual percentage of boxers who are trained by their fathers is tiny, nowhere near 60%, and deaths/serious injuries in the ring are, thankfully, very rare. Statistically, boxing is one of the safest sports.

So just one death/serious injury of a boxer who happens to be trained by his father would skew the numbers in a way that doesn't the reality of the situation.

All I know for sure is there are more father as trainers for their son ring deaths & severe injuries then I would expect there to be. It very well could just be a statistical improbability as I said. Or there could be something there. I just think its something worth looking into. If there is any change or educating worth making to help alter this I think is to be decided.

But in general like, I've also said, I wouldn't be opposed to having a impartial 3rd party in the ring who's looking out for the fighter when his corner isn't cuz I've seen corners not looking out for their fighter too often. So I do think there are changes that could help prevent serious injuries or death regardless if your father trains you or not which should be a goal worthy of attempting in a sport as dangerous as boxing.