Comments Thread For: Wilder's Manager Doubts Joshua Fight Will Happen in 2019

[Just looking]

Right on point Shelly. Fully exposing Hearn's plan

[Noelanthony]

It is all about negotiating a massive deal. This is big business. BIG.

Both sides are shrewdly digging in but both fighters and both promoters want it to happen. It is simply a case of agreeing on the terms.

I think Hearn made a strategic mistake in saying that "it needs to get done before Dec 1" as he has simply drawn more attention to the fact that after Dec 1, assuming a Wilder win (which he should easily) then DW's stock goes up and will demand even more. Hearn should not have pointed out Dec 1st. On the other hand, Wilder's side must surely recognize that they have an opportunity to make a massive event, stadium fight and not be too unreasonable.
Fact is. Wilder is not the draw here and has a far worse resume (even with a Fury win) and has only 1 belt. BUT...he will hostage that belt after Dec 1 for the biggest split he can get - as we all would. But let's just hope, as fans, that they all see sense and make it happen.

Fury is lucky here. He was wasting away and blown up / drugs / booze / inactivity and likely needed money. He took two nobodies on and now has himself a big payday, but I simply cannot see his pitty patty style carrying him to victory. He will win rounds if he has prepared well, but if Wilder catches him he will finish him, and hopefully send the cringeworthy loon back to his booze and coke.
Problem is, Wilder ALREADY thinks he deserves 50/50, wtf will his mindset be like after he beats this washed up fat loon? THAT, folks, is the biggest obstacle to a fight we all want to happen, Wilder thinking he is the A side after he deals with Fury.

Well said. However , this is not the first time Wilder has said 50/50 he actually said 50 /50 or no fight and saw sense and was close, well accepted a 15 million fat deal. Now he has said 50/50 again but I feel it’s just out of annoyance. Now I think if he beats Fury and PPV figures are moderate he deserves 40%. Joshua is the A side and holds the 3 belts but Wilder is a champion and as he is fighting away from home a champion should be rewarded. However, 35% he can not complain either

[Noelanthony]

So you believe Cotto was only paid 750k for his retirement fight?

What I think is that the IRS are dummies and they should recruit yourself and other well informed posters on here that know the true purses of American boxers

[Noelanthony]

I never claim to have first hand information unless I do.

The truth favors Wilder in this situation. There's no bias. AJ is the cash cow. Of course his side wants to delay the fight. Of course Wilder's side wanted the fight ASAP. It's common sense.

It's not my fault Wilder's side is being more truthful than AJ's side.

Being more truthful in what exactly? That is your own bias sentiment. Do you feel Wilders side have lied at all?.... probably not I imagine

[Noelanthony]

First of all, if there is a rematch clause, we don't know the details, but a two fight deal with one fight in the US and one fight in the UK makes business sense for both sides.

I’m shocked that a poster as experienced and furthermore paid to give his opinion would say that.

Joshua fighting Povetkin again is good business sense. However when there is a fight looming potentially in April that will Guzump the 2 nd fight that you plan to have with Fury especially if the First fight was a blow out and PPV figures were low. How is that good business sense? Are we promoting business or competition in the ring. I have heard you complain at length nowyou are promoting business.Business sense so long as it involves Wilder

[Noelanthony]

First of all, the deadline to accept was copied and pasted from Hearn's offer. Hearn's 12.5 million offer had a deadline to accept by the end of the next day. Which was ridiculous. So, as a bit of gamesmanship, the 50 million offer included an identical deadline. Why were AJ fans so upset when Finkel included the same exact deadline that Hearn had included? Where was the outrage after Hearn did it first?




Boxing negotiations are very simple in regards to the order things are done in. Until you've got some sort of understanding on the money, there's nothing else to discuss. Everything else falls in place after you've come to sort basic agreement in principle on how to split the loot. Until you have that, you have nothing.

Last paragraph was well written

[JWHardin]

Parker has ppv records prior to the unification. Wilder has got nothing except the green belt. So stop all these propaganda.

To be honest, the only reason wilder is getting fights is because of the green belt. Take it away from him he becomes irrelevant in the division.

No wilder opponents in 40 fights has earned 1mil. So why fight him for 300k when I can fight AJ and get 2mil?

Boxing is not just a sport, it's also a Business. Stop acting like you are novice.

Parker has PPV records? Enlighten us! Tell me what fights, and what the sales were. Your argument is laughable. Try using your brain a little.

[Laligalaliga]

I never claim to have first hand information unless I do.

The truth favors Wilder in this situation. There's no bias. AJ is the cash cow. Of course his side wants to delay the fight. Of course Wilder's side wanted the fight ASAP. It's common sense.

It's not my fault Wilder's side is being more truthful than AJ's side.

Am not going to sit behind my gadget to say who is truthful or not but I know there are some business gone wrong somewhere in between. I hope they sort it out or they move on.

[Laligalaliga]

So even though Showtime, the fighters, etc have all admitted filed purses are bogus, you still believe they're legit?

You don't think Cotto would be tempted to underpay himself if it was advantageous in terms of taxes and sanctioning fees?

If you have a shell company, and hire yourself to fight, you're obviously going to play with the numbers in whatever way is going to minimize your liabilities.

Do you have any experience operating lucrative businesses? If not, is it possible you don't have a full understanding of the different tricks accountants can play?

Well, am not part of cotto's management. I only work with available figures. What ever smart move he did or tried to do inbetween is actually non of my business.

[N/A]

Joshua fighting Povetkin again is good business sense.

What is the business sense of Joshua fighting Povetkin again? Joshua won by convincing knockout. Nobody cared about the fight to begin with. Who would want a rematch?

However when there is a fight looming potentially in April that will Guzump the 2 nd fight that you plan to have with Fury especially if the First fight was a blow out and PPV figures were low. How is that good business sense?

There's no potential fight in April. Hearn doesn't want the fight. It's going to be Whyte. Warren says the rematch clause wouldn't stop an April fight with Joshua. There are many ways to structure a two fight deal.

Are we promoting business or competition in the ring.

I wasn't aware you were a promoter. I promote to make money. Competition in the ring is irrelevant if it's not going to make the most money.

I have heard you complain at length nowyou are promoting business.Business sense so long as it involves Wilder

Have no idea what you're talking about. Since when do I complain about business? I've said over and over that Hearn made the right decision and I would have done the same exact thing.