Comments Thread For: Incessant Sanctioning Silliness Prompts Alternative Crusade

[killakali]

Their ranking system isn't trash at all. You could argue the rankings are trash, but that's only because the stars don't want a fair system and the IBF ranking system is by far the fairest of the major organizations.

The problem in boxing is that the stars and the promoters want the rules bent for them and if you don't bend the rules for them, the fans will take their side.

The IBF won't bend the rules for anyone. Everyone is treated the same. Want a top ranking? Fight an eliminator. Otherwise, the top rankings remain vacant. The best available must fight the best available. Stars don't like this. They want the easiest route possible.

They also don't want mandatories that are strictly enforced.

The upside though is that fighters who are ducked know the IBF will get them a title shot. Nobody was in a rush to fight Errol Spence. He had to go the IBF route to get his title shot in a reasonable amount of time.

nah. All that did was make Spence inactive. When the IBF Tony let u fight an optional fight u are waiting for your mandatory **** the system is trash. Look at Spence waiting for his mandatory shot and then when his first defense happened. Killed all his momentum.

As for the fights themselves what did Carlos Ocampo do to deserve that title shot again?


I would rather we keep the WBC and WBO. WBO has a ranking system that can be flawed like the IBF but they don’t let mandatories get in the way of big fights and when a fighter moves up in Wright they can automatically become the mandatory.

WBA for obvious reasons and IBF are trash. It was an absolute crime that the wba made Davis-Cuellar for the super 130 title when Machado had already beat the WBA super champ. Corruption and payoffs made that happen.

[Level37scythe]

Promoters sell more when they can call a fight a "title fight" while belt organizations collect sanctioning fees from all the belts they have, and the more the merrier to them.

The problem, once again, lies with the fans. If we want change, we need to speak with our wallets. Boycotting fights with lesser belts promoted as a "title fight" or "championship bout" is how the fans can win. Unfortunately, when a decent fight is scheduled, and an interim belt is at stake, we are no better than cokeheads. We will watch. They will make money. It will happen again.

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nah. All that did was make Spence inactive.

Mandatories in any organization are inactive while they wait for their shot. IBF makes you wait the shortest amount of time, so you're complaint doesn't make any sense.

As for the fights themselves what did Carlos Ocampo do to deserve that title shot again?

Agree to an eliminator.

I would rather we keep the WBC and WBO. WBO has a ranking system that can be flawed like the IBF but they don’t let mandatories get in the way of big fights

Not letting mandatories get in the way of big fights means the mandatories have to wait even longer. So your argument is very inconsistent.

[KillaCamNZ]

Adding another organization is absolutely silly and unacceptable. What journalist need to do is to not recognize WBA regular as a true title. Dont call Povetkin a former world champion because he never was one.

At this point in time, I think even the IBO belt has jumped ahead of the WBA in terms of legitimacy.

There's just no justification whatsoever, for considering the WBA anything more than a corrupt, worthless trinket.

[killakali]

Mandatories in any organization are inactive while they wait for their shot. IBF makes you wait the shortest amount of time, so you're complaint doesn't make any sense.




Agree to an eliminator.




Not letting mandatories get in the way of big fights means the mandatories have to wait even longer. So your argument is very inconsistent.

Not true at all. Complete lies. WBC, WBO, WBA all let their mandatories continue to fight as they wait their turn. Jermell Charlo doesn't have to wait for Canelo. He will be back before end of the year. He has that interim title now but wouldn't have to wait. Ugas and Berto don't have to wait for Porter even though they are both mandatories. The Vargas Dulorme winner won't wait around. Eleider Alvarez wasn't inactive while waiting for Stevenson. Jesse Hart has fought twice since becoming Gilberto Ramirez's mandatory. WBA guys fight all the time when they are mandatories waiting for their shot. Miss me with those lies. Spence was inactive. Not all mandatory challengers. Please stop spreading inaccurate info.



There are so many examples.

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WBC, WBO, WBA all let their mandatories continue to fight as they wait their turn.

Has nothing to do with not letting guys fight while they wait. Has to do with most guys not wanting to take the risk and having to wait and wait for their shot. In the IBF, you know the wait won't be too bad. In the other orgs, the wait could be years.

Jermell Charlo doesn't have to wait for Canelo. He will be back before end of the year. He has that interim title now but wouldn't have to wait. Ugas and Berto don't have to wait for Porter even though they are both mandatories. The Vargas Dulorme winner won't wait around. Eleider Alvarez wasn't inactive while waiting for Stevenson. Jesse Hart has fought twice since becoming Gilberto Ramirez's mandatory. WBA guys fight all the time when they are mandatories waiting for their shot. Miss me with those lies. Spence was inactive. Not all mandatory challengers. Please stop spreading inaccurate info.

In most of the the examples you listed, the champion and the mandatory were in house, so Haymon or Arum risk nothing by having the mandatory fight. In the Charlo/Canelo situation, once you have an interim world championship, you can move on with your life instead of waiting around. You have a belt to defend and you'll likely eventually get upgraded.

Spence & Brook was not an in house fight. There's no way you risk that position. That was a critical showdown between Haymon and Hearn with a ton at stake. 147 pound belts are extremely valuable.

[killakali]

Has nothing to do with not letting guys fight while they wait. Has to do with most guys not wanting to take the risk and having to wait and wait for their shot. In the IBF, you know the wait won't be too bad. In the other orgs, the wait could be years.




In most of the the examples you listed, the champion and the mandatory were in house, so Haymon or Arum risk nothing by having the mandatory fight. In the Charlo/Canelo situation, once you have an interim world championship, you can move on with your life instead of waiting around. You have a belt to defend and you'll likely eventually get upgraded.

Spence & Brook was not an in house fight. There's no way you risk that position. That was a critical showdown between Haymon and Hearn with a ton at stake. 147 pound belts are extremely valuable.

even Gvozdyk pushed for his shot at Stevenson despite having an interim title

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even Gvozdyk pushed for his shot at Stevenson despite having an interim title

And he waited just as long as Spence. So what's your point? And if Stevenson hadn't gone so many years without a mandatory, Gvozdyk would have had to wait a lot longer.

[killakali]

And he waited just as long as Spence. So what's your point? And if Stevenson hadn't gone so many years without a mandatory, Gvozdyk would have had to wait a lot longer.

is Gvozdyk waiting as long as Jermall? Not even as close to as long. That is my point. And if Gvozdyk wins I bet he won’t wait as long for his first defense as Spence did...

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is Gvozdyk waiting as long as Jermall?

You're changing the subject because you know you look foolish. You complained about long IBF waits, brought up a "short" WBC wait to prove your point, and the two waits for the same amount of time. You look ridiculous.