How does Ortiz do against Ali, marciano, lewis, foreman.

[New England]

The world population in 1970 was 3.7 billion

In 2018 it's 7.7 billion.

Ali-Foreman were the best out of 3.7 billion people, Wilder-Ortiz are some of the best out of 7.7 billion people.

Which is more impressive?

For some reason people have a hard time comprehending that population changes, that the international boxing scene has improved light years of where it used to be.

the soviets used to put grown men in the amateurs before they allowed professional boxing, and american teenagers would f#cking destroy them. you have no idea what you are talking about or looking at if you think the current crop at HW, amateur or pro, is going to last 12 rounds with muhammad ali in 1967

[Cutthroat]

the soviets used to put grown men in the amateurs before they allowed professional boxing, and american teenagers would f#cking destroy them. you have no idea what you are talking about or looking at if you think the current crop at HW, amateur or pro, is going to last 12 rounds with muhammad ali in 1967

The amateurs are not the pros, period. Sometimes guys translate well to the pros, other times not so much.

Kovalev wasn't really **** in the amateurs and he wound up ranked as a P4P fighter in the pros. Usyk was already in his 20's in the amateurs and lost to a lot of guys he'd destroy in the pros. Golota went from losing to some no-name Asian fighter to kicking a prime Rid**** Bowe's ass etc.

In 2016 there were pro boxers that actually fought in the amateurs and they all lost:

https://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/10/12424182/2016-olympics-rio-boxing-pro-amateur

You have to but a big asterisk next to the eras where many European's weren't allowed to box professionally. You can say that overall American boxing was stronger but that simply is not true for the rest of the world.

There were guys the size of cruiser weights knocking Ali on his ass but for some reason you don't think these monsters today couldn't?

Gregorio Peralta was 195lb Argentinian journeyman and he was capable of lasting upwards of 10 rounds with George Foreman, but some how Wilder, AJ, Ortiz, Fury, etc. wouldn't?

[Mr Objecitivity]

David Allen said Luis Ortiz hits harder than AJ lol, he was about to get brutally knocked out after receiving a huge beating in just 7 rounds.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=731201

Mavrovic hurt Lewis in round 7. Mavrovic was barely 6'3 215lbs and he walked through Lewis' punches, Allen on the other hand weighs 260, obviously he's going to be more durable.

Boxer statements are irrelevant. Especially when said boxer, never boxed against both opponents professionally in the ring, that he is comparing, in regards to their punching power.

"He was about to get get brutally knocked out"?

I don't care about what you think would have happened. I care about what did / didn't happen. So I ask again, why didn't Luis Ortiz KO Dave Allen in the 7 rounds that he boxed him in? And I mean, an actual clean KO?

And okay, find me just one opponent Luis Ortiz has knocked out, that was never knocked out or stopped before. Just one!

When I say 'knocked out', I mean, LITERALLY knocked out. As in, put to sleep or totally incapacitated, to the point where the opponent couldn't get up at all for a long time.

Standing stoppages and corner stoppages don't count!

Why couldn't Ortiz 'brutally' knock Dave Allen out in the prior 7 rounds, if he had that much power?

You could say he would've knocked him out all you like, but he didn't. And that's my point!

What makes you sure Luis Ortiz was going to KO Dave Allen, when he couldn't even KO Malik Scott?

So what if Dave Allen weighed 260 pounds and Zeljko Mavrovic weighed 215 pounds? You do realize, Lennox Lewis has KO'ed MULTIPLE opponents, even previously undefeated / UN-KO'ed opponents like Michael Grant and Shannon Briggs, who weighed 240+ pound? And unlike Dave Allen, those 240+ pound men that Lewis KO'ed, were actually less fat and in far better physical condition than 260 pounds Dave Allen.

Shannon Briggs is far better than Dave Allen, just as big (if not bigger) and far more durable. Yet, Lewis was the only one to stop him. And he did so more convincingly than Ortiz did Allen.

So what exactly is your point? If Lewis KO'ed bigger undefeated / UN-KO'ed opponents like Michael Grant and Shannon Briggs, but couldn't KO a smaller sized opponent in Zeljko Mavrovic, then maybe, the smaller guy could be more durable? Ever considered that possibility?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrAuHKBbUvM

Go to 2:00 to see Luis Ortiz rocked by Dave Allen!

And Dave Allen walked through Ortiz's relatively light hitting / weak punches.

[Sid-Knee]

Lewis was KTFO twice by lesser fighters.
Largely outboxed by Bruno, got a gift decision vs Mercer etc

Fights aren't won by accomplishments or who NSB deems as an unbeatable H2H fighter. Lewis struggled many too much lesser fighters than himself and Ortiz.
Again he never fought one southpaw in an approx 50 fight career, there's a reason for that.

Quite frankly I don't think Ortiz is an easy night for anyone.
6ft4, 270 southpaw counterpuncher that moves well and possesses K.O power in either hand. He's a dangerous HW and would pose huge problems for just about any present or past champion, ATG or not.
He's stylistically a nightmare for most.

It amazes me Lewis apparently wins these fantasy fights with 100% certainty in 2 rounds yet that just wasn't Lewis. Anyone that followed his career knows he was a very cautious, slow paced and often quite boring fighter just like Wlad.

Yep, you're a mentalist. Too many of you people on this forum for me to want to go back and forth with you with no end in sight, so i'll leave you to your madness.

[Sid-Knee]

The lunatics have arrived in the thread i see apparently Lewis v Ortiz is a pick em fight now

Americans are freaks to their core, you should know that by now, you've spent enough time on the sink-pit site.

They're even worse than those freaks at Boxing News 24. And that's saying something.

[Sid-Knee]

Its a safety in numbers thing were boxing fans almost always pick the same fighter especially in fights that can't be proven.

Why can't people break it down stylistically instead of mocking others for actually favouring their pick but bringing up facts as to why they're simply not 100% confident?
Like you can be 100 anyway picking against a skilled HW with Ortiz's power.

Lewis by his own admission hated fighting southpaws and this isn't your typical southpaw this is the most skilled and dangerous southpaw HW of them all.

But you most definitely should be mocked. It would be a crime not to.

[Sid-Knee]

David Allen said Luis Ortiz hits harder than AJ lol, he was about to get brutally knocked out after receiving a huge beating in just 7 rounds.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=731201

Mavrovic hurt Lewis in round 7. Mavrovic was barely 6'3 215lbs and he walked through Lewis' punches, Allen on the other hand weighs 260, obviously he's going to be more durable.

Allen is obviously going to be more durable than the iron jawed Zelko? Did you not see some of the bombs Lennox Landed? Ortiz didn't generate that kind of power. To think so shows you're mentally ill. But you're American, most of you are ****ing weirdos who live in fantasy land.

[Sid-Knee]

The world population in 1970 was 3.7 billion

In 2018 it's 7.7 billion.

Ali-Foreman were the best out of 3.7 billion people, Wilder-Ortiz are some of the best out of 7.7 billion people.

Which is more impressive?

For some reason people have a hard time comprehending that population changes, that the international boxing scene has improved light years of where it used to be.

Due to the world having higher numbers in todays world means that they were better than back then? That's your logic? As I say, you're not right in the head. I don't think you're a troll, I actually do believe you believe this nonsense. You're just American. And Americans are going to do what Americans do. That is why the world mocks you.

[Sid-Knee]

you're really worked up over this

strawman and a rhetorical nonsense question.

ortiz in 2018 > povetkin in 2018. hurts, i know.

When people make absurd comments, people are going to let you know.

But if you want being worked up, how about nearly all Americans on here when discussing non American fighters? All that bile and poison. All that madness. Very ironic if you ask me. And you think there is nothing wrong with the madness you lot spew. Which is why you're the most creepiest nation on the planet. I actually like the ****** world more than I do Americans. That says a lot right there.

[champion4ever]

One thing is for sure, Luis Ortiz would kick Alexander Povetkin's ass