How does Ortiz do against Ali, marciano, lewis, foreman.

[buddyr]

Ali - He probably loses a decision.

Marciano - He either stops him or win a decision.

Lewis - He will probably fight him to draw or even a close decision .

Foreman - He wins by either knockout or decision.

Marciano at the most was maybe 190 at 5'10.. Ortiz is 6'4 240. He would be giving up 50 lbs and 6 inches in height. Think about this, on Marciano's best night at 188, he was only 9 lbs heavier than David Lemiuex on fight night when he fought Sullivan. Same height. Do you think Lemiuex can beat any of the heavyweights today?

[joseph5620]

Loses to all of them but he beats AJ by KO.

Good answer. The agenda for this thread is so obvious.

[champion4ever]

Marciano at the most was maybe 190 at 5'10.. Ortiz is 6'4 240. He would be giving up 50 lbs and 6 inches in height. Think about this, on Marciano's best night at 188, he was only 9 lbs heavier than David Lemiuex on fight night when he fought Sullivan. Same height. Do you think Lemiuex can beat any of the heavyweights today?

My apologies for that; You misunderstood me. This is what I meant to say:

Ortiz - He either stops or decisions Marciano.

Ortiz - Probably loses a decision to Ali.

Ortiz - Will probably fight Lewis to draw or even lose
a close decision.

Ortiz - Either knockout Foreman or win by decision.

[buddyr]

My apologies for that; You misunderstood me. This is what I meant to say:

Ortiz - He either stops or decisions Marciano.

Ortiz - Probably loses a decision to Ali.

Ortiz - Will probably fight Lewis to draw or even lose
a close decision.

Ortiz - Either knockout Foreman or win by decision.

ok, my bad

[champion4ever]

ok, my bad

It's all good! We cool

[Cutthroat]

What Duhaupas did against Wilder, was the VERY definition of what it means to walk through someone's punches.

Don't give me excuses about 'high guards'. I thought Wilder had the power to penetrate through his opponent's guards and knock them out? Why couldn't he do this to Duhaupas in 11 rounds?

Duhaupas was literally walking forward the whole fight against Wilder, whilst Wilder was the one backing up. So in what Universe can Duhaupas be in defensive mode, if he was literally backing up Wilder most of the time in EVERY round. To the point where it appeared like Wilder was a scared little girly sissy of Duhaupas. Meanwhile, Wilder was unable to even back Duhaupas up for most of any round, due to how feather fisted, weak and sissy like Wilder's punches appeared against Duhaupas.

So if Duhaupas was in defensive mode, why did Wilder have a black eye, that looked almost shut by the end of the fight?

If Duhaupas was in defensive mode, then why is it that Duhaupas was on the front foot for most of EVERY round, whilst Wilder was on the back foot for most of EVERY round? Or can you provide evidence of Wilder backing up Duhaupas for MOST of ANY round?

Wilder did land multiple flush power punches clean. Even with his right hand. Yet, he still couldn't achieve a single knockdown? What was the reason for that? Can you explain? Since I thought Wilder was supposed to have this 'another level of power'?

And I didn't once mention Alexander Povetkin in this thread. Nor is he at all relevant to this thread. Thanks for INADVERTENTLY exposing and revealing to everyone reading this thread online, that you are literally obsessed with Povetkin, to the point where you fantasize about him and have fetishes related to him. Since you couldn't help, but mention him in a thread that he is TOTALLY irrelevant in. And also since you assumed I was referring to Povetkin in my previous post, when I wasn't.

But now that you mention Povetkin, you've further exposed Deontay Wilder's lack of punching power even more. What excuse does Wilder have of failing to even drop Johann Duhaupas, when a small, 6 foot 0, fat, chubby, pudgy, overweight, near obese blown up LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT puts Duhaupas to sleep (not just drops him)?

And I could care less about excuses such as drug tests and short notice. Since, you're the one who claimed Wilder's punching power 'is on another level'. And you're the one, acting like Wilder is the most powerful puncher in history. But I'm sorry, If Wilder is unable to even drop a guy who was put to sleep by a fat, chubby, 6 foot 0, near obese blown up light heavyweight, irrespective of drugs / short notice, then Wilder can never be qualified as someone who has as much punching power as you claim he does.

Even if Povetkin took drugs and Duhaupas fought at short notice. There still shouldn't be any excuse for Wilder in his failure to EVEN drop Duhaupas in 11 rounds, when someone LIKE Povetkin puts that same Duhaupas to sleep. That's of course, if you're claiming Wilder's power is on another level and that he is the hardest puncher in history.


And I don't even rate Povetkin's power that highly. Him not stopping / dropping opponents is irrelevant to me. Since I never claimed he is the hardest puncher ever, or that his power is on another level like you claimed about Deontay Wilder's punching power.


Lennox Lewis doesn't have to KO Deontay Wilder anyway. He is a far superior boxer at his best. He could win by decision, or by KO. You seemed to have 'omitted' this fact. KO isn't the only way to win. And Wilder hasn't KO'ed every opponent either (I don't care about premature / controversial TKO stoppages).

"And we're talking about Duhaupas, a guy who was DROPPED MASSIVELY by one punch from a cruiser weight. A cruiser weight dropped Duhaupas with a single punch."-You

You brought up Pedvetkin first to try to discredit Wilder's power whilst ignoring the fact that Duhaupas took the fight on 20 hours notice & Pedvetkin tested positive for ostarine that bout.

Forget Duhaupas, if ANY HW in the history of boxing took a bout on 20 hours notice the chances of them losing to even a journeyman level opponent would be exponentially higher than if they'd had a full training camp.


Duhaupas was hurt as early as round 5 and Wilder's eye was swollen as early as round 3.

You can literally see from these highlights Duhaupas covering up simply trying to survive these combinations and it still wasn't enough with an 11th round TKO:




And how the **** can Lewis be the superior boxer when he lost twice to journeymen, arguably 4x including fights against Mercer & Holyfield. Wilder doesn't have a single controversial fight in his career. He's either knocked them out cold or has beaten them to a pulp like he did Duhaupas who he softened up for Pedvetkin.

[Mr Objecitivity]

"And we're talking about Duhaupas, a guy who was DROPPED MASSIVELY by one punch from a cruiser weight. A cruiser weight dropped Duhaupas with a single punch."-You

You brought up Pedvetkin first to try to discredit Wilder's power whilst ignoring the fact that Duhaupas took the fight on 20 hours notice & Pedvetkin tested positive for ostarine that bout.

Forget Duhaupas, if ANY HW in the history of boxing took a bout on 20 hours notice the chances of them losing to even a journeyman level opponent would be exponentially higher than if they'd had a full training camp.


Duhaupas was hurt as early as round 5 and Wilder's eye was swollen as early as round 3.

You can literally see from these highlights Duhaupas covering up simply trying to survive these combinations and it still wasn't enough with an 11th round TKO:




And how the **** can Lewis be the superior boxer when he lost twice to journeymen, arguably 4x including fights against Mercer & Holyfield. Wilder doesn't have a single controversial fight in his career. He's either knocked them out cold or has beaten them to a pulp like he did Duhaupas who he softened up for Pedvetkin.

Nowhere did I mention the words 'Alexander Povetkin' in my initial post. Either find the actual point where I mentioned those words, or be forced to admit that you are LITERALLY OBSESSED with Alexander Povetkin, to the point where you can't even stop thinking, or posting about him, even in threads and places where he is totally irrelevant. Your obsession is probably on the level of fetishes, fantasies and sexual obsession you have about Povetkin. Keep inadvertently admitting and exposing yourself!

You assumed I was referring to Povetkin by that sentence (because you've obviously proven you can't stop thinking about that guy and that he is the first person that enters your brain, because you seemingly wish you could spend private moments with him, doing things with him).

If you want to know who I was referring to by that sentence, ask next time. In order to not expose yourself as foolish and obsessive.

So I ask again (questions you've not answered):

If Duhaupas was in defensive mode, then why is it that Duhaupas was on the front foot for most of EVERY round, whilst Wilder was on the back foot for most of EVERY round? Or can you provide evidence of Wilder backing up Duhaupas for MOST of ANY round?

If Duhaupas was in defensive mode, why was he landing jabs after jabs, in multiple rounds, on Wilder's face, worsening Wilder's eye damage?

High guard isn't anything special. Any boxer with good fundamentals would know how to use a high guard. It doesn't take an A level boxer or a special boxer to know how to employ a high guard. The fact that DUhaupas had a high guard, isn't evidence of him being in defensive mode. It's called defensive responsibility! Duhaupas was also moving forward and attacking = not in defensive mode. If Duhaupas was backing away the whole fight, then you'd have a point about Duhaupas being in defensive mode.

What wasn't enough? Wilder's near 1000, feather fisted, light and seemingly weak punches weren't enough to even drop, never mind KO a clown like Duhaupas. If Wilder isn't literally blasting away clowns like Duhaupas in super quick time, irrespective of excuses like 'high guard DOE', then his power has to be SERIOUSLY, and I mean SERIOUSLY questioned to an insane level.

Wilder landed a career high number of punches, nearly totaling 1000 on Duhaupas. What was the best he managed to conjure up? Some minor bleeding on Duhaupas's face, that's all! What do you think legitimate power punchers like Anthony Joshua would have done to Duhaupas, if they landed anywhere close to 1000 punches on him? I can assure you they would've inflicted far greater damage than some minor bleeding.

Even Duhaupas proved to be a harder hitter than Wilder. Duhaupas with half the punches landed, inflicted far greater damage on Wilder than vice versa. Duhaupas NEARLY had Wilder's eye shut / closed, and caused a visible black eye on a Wilder who already has a very dark skin. That's far more impressive than causing minor bleeding from a paler skinned opponent's face, which was what Wilder caused on Duhaupas's face with DOUBLE the punches landed. So if anything, Duhaupas's one punch power > Wilder's one punch power (based on their fight).

Wilder getting a gift stoppage in the 11th round (where he was missing his last 2 punches and falling off balance) proves nothing about how powerful a puncher he is. Rather, it proves how weak a puncher is.

0 knockdowns after landing near 1000 punches is pretty pathetic if you ask me. Wilder couldn't even back up Duhaupas, despite landing maximum powered loaded up punches after maximum powered loaded up punches. That's how feather fisted, weak and light hitting Wilder's power is. Even if Duhaupas had a high guard, Wilder should've been able to back Duhaupas with as many punches as he did, correct? Assuming he hits as hard as you claim? But he couldn't, because his power is nowhere near the level you're claiming it is. Duhaupas would never be able to walk forward like the way he did against Wilder against someone like Anthony Joshua.


Lennox Lewis is the SUPERIOR BOXER because of his greater pedigree and his greater accomplishments. Lewis was an Olympic gold medalist, whilst Wilder was an Olympic bronze medalist. Lewis was an undisputed champion after having the same number of fights that Wilder has currently had. Whilst Wilder is still only a WBC champion. Lewis beat more top 10 heavyweights than vice versa.

Lewis avenged all his losses. Ergo, they don't matter. Wilder had a controversial fight against french pastry chef Duhaupas, got a gift stoppage and was arguably losing the fight, having his head jabbed off and his eye nearly shut. Alabama scorecards and referee saved Wilder in that fight.