How does Ortiz do against Ali, marciano, lewis, foreman.

[Big_Fan]

Wins against Marciano and Foreman, loses against Ali and Lewis. Ali has too much movement for him and Lewis controls range way too well. Marciano was kind of a face first come forward bum and Foreman was too stationary and slow, Ortiz would counter him into infinity and make it look easy.

Some of you newbie boxing fans make me scratch my head. I have read this forum forever but never been inclined to reply until now.

Ortiz would be knocked into next year by Foreman. Ali would have boxed him silly. Marciano was probably a toss-up but the size disadvantage would favor Ortiz.

Ortiz would have been knocked out by 70's journeymen like Quarry or Shavers. Foreman was NEVER knocked out by power punches. The 1990's era Foreman would have been a handful for Ortiz. The 70's variety would have walked through him.

[Cutthroat]

Sid-Knee, this is the PERFECT opportunity to ask Cutthroat as to why Johann Duhaupas (of all people) was able to WALK RIGHT THROUGH multiple of Deontay Wilder's FULLY loaded up, maximum powered punches that landed flush plenty of times on Johan Duhaupas's body /face for multiple rounds, without suffering a single knockdown against this MYTHICAL punching power of Deontay Wilder. Duhaupas LITERALLY ate all of Wilder's career high number of landed power punches like a candy, nearly 1000 punches in total, for 11 rounds, without suffering a single knockdown.

Yet, despite this 'MYTHICAL' one punch power of Wilder, Wilder ONLY at most managed to inflict MINOR bleeding from Duhaupas's face. That's the most damage he was able to inflict, with nearly 1000 landed punches.

Meanwhile, Duhaupas only landed half the number of punches Wilder landed, and managed to actually give Wilder far more damage than vice versa by causing a black eye on Wilder, almost shutting Wilder's eye.

If anything, that fight proved Duhaupas is a far superior puncher in terms of one power than Deontay Wilder. Duhaupas with fewer punches inflicted more damage on Wilder, than the amount of damage Wilder inflicted on Duhaupas with double the number of landed punches.

Wilder looked TOTALLY feather fisted, as if he had the power of a little sissy, when Duhaupas WALKED RIGHT THROUGH, let that sink, WALKED RIGHT THROUGH WIlder's power punches for 11 rounds without even suffering a single knockdown. It wasn't like Duhaupas was on the back foot and in survival mode, looking to only neutralize Wilder. NO! HE was on the front foot, taking all of Wilder's punches without suffering a single knockdown.

And we're talking about Duhaupas, a guy who was DROPPED MASSIVELY by one punch from a cruiser weight. A cruiser weight dropped Duhaupas with a single punch. And Wilder couldn't drop this Duhaupas with nearly 1000 landed flush power punches. That should REALLY put into perspective JUST how SEVERELY lacking Wilder's punching power is. Looked almost nonexistent in that fight.

Duhapaus didn't walk through Wilder's punches lmao, he kept a high guard and was in defensive mode the majority of the bout. Once he got hurt in the 5th round his work rate was almost nonexistent.

Compare Mavrovic-Lewis to Wilder-Duhapaus and you'll see what a guy walking through another guy's punches actually looks like. Duhaupas never left his chin exposed.

Pedvetkin tested positive for ostarine in his bout against Stiverne & Duhaupas took the fight on 20 hours notice. You omit this fact over and over again.

Where did Pedvetkin's power disappear to against Rudenko & Hammer? Even clipped AJ clean with some shots, didn't put him down.

[KingHippo]

Some of you newbie boxing fans make me scratch my head. I have read this forum forever but never been inclined to reply until now.

Ortiz would be knocked into next year by Foreman. Ali would have boxed him silly. Marciano was probably a toss-up but the size disadvantage would favor Ortiz.

Ortiz would have been knocked out by 70's journeymen like Quarry or Shavers. Foreman was NEVER knocked out by power punches. The 1990's era Foreman would have been a handful for Ortiz. The 70's variety would have walked through him.

And you nostalgic must be one of the most delusional bunch out there. The 90's era Foreman was as slow and immobile as ever. Foreman's straight right isn't fast enough and he's too dependent on the jab. Ortiz would check hook him into another dimension. Easy work for the Cuban.

And lol at Ortiz getting knocked out by ****ing Shavers. Shavers would never crack the top 10 in this era with his horrible square stance, wide open chin and horrendous punching mechanics. I'd give Quarry a much better chance given that he was a better technician, but some of his mechanics are so comically bad it's actually sad to watch. Only an old fool would believe 70s bums could compete with the monsters we have today.

[Big_Fan]

And you nostalgic must be one of the most delusional bunch out there. The 90's era Foreman was as slow and immobile as ever. Foreman's straight right isn't fast enough and he's too dependent on the jab. Ortiz would check hook him into another dimension. Easy work for the Cuban.

And lol at Ortiz getting knocked out by ****ing Shavers. Shavers would never crack the top 10 in this era with his horrible square stance, wide open chin and horrendous punching mechanics. I'd give Quarry a much better chance given that he was a better technician, but some of his mechanics are so comically bad it's actually sad to watch. Only an old fool would believe 70s bums could compete with the monsters we have today.

A prime Evander Holyfield was a better boxer with more speed and skill than Ortiz. Foreman had no trouble connecting with him. A way beyond his shelf date Foreman connected on Moorer who was a 24 year old southpaw with much better speed than old Ortiz.

Virtually every championship contender from the time of Clay through Wlad would beat Ortiz.

Monsters of today? Boxing isn’t football where linemen have advanced from 200# to 340#. There were monsters fighting in the 30’s. Primo Carnera was 6’6 260# 85” reach and ripped. That didn’t make him the best fighter. 6’2.5 Max Baer beat him. There are monsterous fighters today but it is a bit like basketball... yeah they are physically impressive but the skill level is dramatically lower than it was in earlier eras.

Ortiz lacks the speed, footwork, and stamina to compete against the best 15 round fighters of the 70’s. Against the best of that era? He might take Norton, but I would pick Norton by late round KO. Foreman, Ali, Frazier? Just no. Ortiz trying to counter Ali would be hilarious... big guy would be punching air.

[champion4ever]

Ali - He probably loses a decision.

Marciano - He either stops him or win a decision.

Lewis - He will probably fight him to draw or even a close decision .

Foreman - He wins by either knockout or decision.

[abracada]

How does the fearsome (almost mythical) prime Luis Ortiz who stopped Bryant jennings do against some of the greatest heavyweights? Could they compete with this Cuban great or is wilder the only fighter capable of beating the legend of the sport that is luis Ortiz.

Tyson beats the bejesus out of wilder and wilder on the same day

[KingHippo]

Ortiz trying to counter Ali would be hilarious... big guy would be punching air.

Already had Ali winning you old fool

A prime Evander Holyfield was a better boxer with more speed and skill than Ortiz. Foreman had no trouble connecting with him. A way beyond his shelf date Foreman connected on Moorer who was a 24 year old southpaw with much better speed than old Ortiz.

Holyfield wasn't a southpaw and the fact that you're comparing someone as technically deficient as Moorer to Ortiz shows that you don't really have the IQ to pin match ups.

You're out of your element.

[Derranged]

I think Povetkin would do better against them than Ortiz which automatically means that AJ would demolish Wilder. Hypothetical fantasy fight triangle theories are never wrong.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Duhapaus didn't walk through Wilder's punches lmao, he kept a high guard and was in defensive mode the majority of the bout. Once he got hurt in the 5th round his work rate was almost nonexistent.

Compare Mavrovic-Lewis to Wilder-Duhapaus and you'll see what a guy walking through another guy's punches actually looks like. Duhaupas never left his chin exposed.

Pedvetkin tested positive for ostarine in his bout against Stiverne & Duhaupas took the fight on 20 hours notice. You omit this fact over and over again.

Where did Pedvetkin's power disappear to against Rudenko & Hammer? Even clipped AJ clean with some shots, didn't put him down.

What Duhaupas did against Wilder, was the VERY definition of what it means to walk through someone's punches.

Don't give me excuses about 'high guards'. I thought Wilder had the power to penetrate through his opponent's guards and knock them out? Why couldn't he do this to Duhaupas in 11 rounds?

Duhaupas was literally walking forward the whole fight against Wilder, whilst Wilder was the one backing up. So in what Universe can Duhaupas be in defensive mode, if he was literally backing up Wilder most of the time in EVERY round. To the point where it appeared like Wilder was a scared little girly sissy of Duhaupas. Meanwhile, Wilder was unable to even back Duhaupas up for most of any round, due to how feather fisted, weak and sissy like Wilder's punches appeared against Duhaupas.

So if Duhaupas was in defensive mode, why did Wilder have a black eye, that looked almost shut by the end of the fight?

If Duhaupas was in defensive mode, then why is it that Duhaupas was on the front foot for most of EVERY round, whilst Wilder was on the back foot for most of EVERY round? Or can you provide evidence of Wilder backing up Duhaupas for MOST of ANY round?

Wilder did land multiple flush power punches clean. Even with his right hand. Yet, he still couldn't achieve a single knockdown? What was the reason for that? Can you explain? Since I thought Wilder was supposed to have this 'another level of power'?

And I didn't once mention Alexander Povetkin in this thread. Nor is he at all relevant to this thread. Thanks for INADVERTENTLY exposing and revealing to everyone reading this thread online, that you are literally obsessed with Povetkin, to the point where you fantasize about him and have fetishes related to him. Since you couldn't help, but mention him in a thread that he is TOTALLY irrelevant in. And also since you assumed I was referring to Povetkin in my previous post, when I wasn't.

But now that you mention Povetkin, you've further exposed Deontay Wilder's lack of punching power even more. What excuse does Wilder have of failing to even drop Johann Duhaupas, when a small, 6 foot 0, fat, chubby, pudgy, overweight, near obese blown up LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT puts Duhaupas to sleep (not just drops him)?

And I could care less about excuses such as drug tests and short notice. Since, you're the one who claimed Wilder's punching power 'is on another level'. And you're the one, acting like Wilder is the most powerful puncher in history. But I'm sorry, If Wilder is unable to even drop a guy who was put to sleep by a fat, chubby, 6 foot 0, near obese blown up light heavyweight, irrespective of drugs / short notice, then Wilder can never be qualified as someone who has as much punching power as you claim he does.

Even if Povetkin took drugs and Duhaupas fought at short notice. There still shouldn't be any excuse for Wilder in his failure to EVEN drop Duhaupas in 11 rounds, when someone LIKE Povetkin puts that same Duhaupas to sleep. That's of course, if you're claiming Wilder's power is on another level and that he is the hardest puncher in history.


And I don't even rate Povetkin's power that highly. Him not stopping / dropping opponents is irrelevant to me. Since I never claimed he is the hardest puncher ever, or that his power is on another level like you claimed about Deontay Wilder's punching power.


Lennox Lewis doesn't have to KO Deontay Wilder anyway. He is a far superior boxer at his best. He could win by decision, or by KO. You seemed to have 'omitted' this fact. KO isn't the only way to win. And Wilder hasn't KO'ed every opponent either (I don't care about premature / controversial TKO stoppages).

[buddyr]

70's Foreman pounds on Ortiz until he quits.
Ali gives him a boxing lesson.
Lewis stops him late.
Marciano would be too small for today's heavyweights.

Marciano would be too small for today's cruiserweights