Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Would Like Wilder, But No Interest in Time Waster

[Real King Kong]

there is no posturing, you total amoeba

there is only delaying/roadblocking, by Hearn

your posturing rubbish is just a childish excuse

grow up man, what a clown

Wilder called Joshua's bluff TWICE.....

Joshua ran for the hills, with Wilder screaming out biiiiitch !

that is not posturing..... what don't you get about that ???

you are as ******ed as the dopey pacstains who insisted that Mayweather's testing demands were a "bluff"..... but then p1ssed themselves crying when asked to explain why Pacquiao did not simply call Mayweather's "bluff" and take the harmless blood test


you are a fkn amoeba kid lol

why hasn't anyone signed a contract yet?

again...telling people to grow up...but you're the 50+ yr old on here calling people names lol.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

There's no one you can argue it was the most legit offer when there was no contracts or details released until AJ refused you're convenient forgetting this and the whole time periods where Wilder has not responded to the offers on the table. You are trying to say you've proven your argument with facts by stringing together quotes that are either out of context or to do with other matters and saying my points are nonesense as I do not care enough to go back through articles and string a timeline of exact dates and what was said.

If you take the time to watch the IFL Barry interview which is down to you, it comes across as he has no shame or need to lie speaking about how he would do it and he also explains how Eddie Hearn runs the boxing side which he found it hard to get used to at first and explaining the contact issues as mentioned by Eddie previously.

I am not being onsided as I already mentioned AJ is in no rush due to business reasons and the flat fee shows this. But the 50 mil offer was never clarified so AJ could have been selling self for a night with Finkel for all they knew. If BT was mentioned at the time this would have been a pretty big deal breaker and a get out of jail free excuse for AJ to use for the fans. Therefore showing proof that failing to disclose this information alone shows dishonesty and unethical intent of Finkel.

As far as fight prediction goes of AJ comes out as the aggresor and destroys Povetkin I'd say Wilder is **** in trouble if they fight next.

However if AJ fights Povetkin like he did against Parker which looked scared and panicked when Parker was on the offence, I'd question whether AJ has what it takes mentally and give the odds to Wilder landing the infamous right hand.

Not one thing I've posted is/was out of context, I take offense to that. I've posted facts, just because you don't want to recognize those facts, don't try to accuse me or imply that I have mis-led any part of this conversation. I've been clear and concise, presented facts in context, and built an un-biased opinion based on those facts. The difference between me and you, is that you approached this as an AJ fan and there for will always lean that direction. I approached as a boxing fan, waited for details to come out and made an objective opinion. I can also post a complete timeline of the entire negotiations staring from Hearns $12.5 million offer. So the timing of all these events are extremely clear to me, as I actually took the time, to research every significant event date it and put it in writing.

april 10th - Hearn offers $12.5 million flat fee no date, venue or details, 48 hr deadline take it or leave it.

Finkels response was he'd have a counter offer 2 to 3 days later, but then on...

april 12th - Aj dropped this "If it is a $100 million fight and they are happy with taking 60-40, I'll take 50-50. Give me $50 million dollars up front and I swear I'll take that fight tomorrow,"

Instead of furnishing a smaller more reasonable offer, Wilder and his people worked to give Aj what he asked for,

April 25th - Wilder offers AJ a minimum guarantee of $50 million, with 50-50 split if the fight makes more than $100 million, no rematch clause, the fight must take place between September-November at a site of Wilders choosing in Vegas.

Hearn Responds by accusing Wilders camp of making a fake offer for PR purposes, he says Wilder doesn't have the money, he requests proof of funds. some back and forth between camps.

April 30th - Hearn receives proof of funds.

May 2nd - Hearn reports that the fight is at a 70% chance of being signed. He stated they are negotiating and had more qustions.

May 7th - Barry Hearn admits he wants AJ to delay the Wilder fight. Admits he even advised AJ to do so.

May 22nd - Hearn, AJ and Mccraken reject the $50 million offer.

June 4th - Hearn slips in an interview:"I think it will get done but the WBA are asking us every day and we are extending this negotiation period all the time. At the moment, we are fighting Povetkin. I think we have to make a call by the end of the week really"

June 10th - Wilders accepts terms. The offer is the 2nd offer after the $50 million was rejected. There's no details on the negotiations after May 22nd, but the offers went from 12.5, to 15. The offer is a flat fee, included a rematch clause that would take place in the U.S. no matter who won the first fight.

June 11th - Finkle requests a contract.

June 15th - Hearn sends the Contract.

June 18th - Finkle has concerns and questions regarding specific items in the contract. Which was later revealed that there was no date or venue included in the contract, because the date was September 15th at Wembley, and the rematch clause which was already agreed too, was now a one way clause for AJ only.

June 22nd - Hearn claims he responded.

June 24th - Finkle writes to Hearn telling him he's sending back the contract for small corrections, and for a date and venue, intimating it will be signed once the corrections are made and the contract is returned.

June 25th - Hearn claims he has not heard from Wilders team, he then attacks Wilder. Finkle claims Hearn has not responded to his e-mails, instead he reaceived a letter from Hearn stating AJ would be fighting Povetkin next, and wilder can fight AJ in April of 2019.

June 26th - WBA announces 48 hour deadline for AJ to sign for Povetkin. Date, venue, and Dazn deal already announced.

Again, nothing here is taken out of context. It's actually ridiculous that you would say that.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I say it's not real cuz it has the feel of being staged. I don't think they were ever at a point of seriously trying to make the fight happen, and why would either side have wanted the fight at that point? it just wouldn't have generated the revenue anyone involved is looking for. all the posturing was and is being used to drum up interest. when the money is there, watch how quick they put the fight together.

But negotiations are staged. If the offer wasn't real, why did Hearn negotiate it, then ultimately reject it, not because it was a bad offer, but because it wasn't an offer for the UK? Why go through the trouble of negotiating with Showtime PPV, Warren for BTsports streaming? Why would Espinoza, President of Showtime sports, offer up an additional $30 million? I'm sorry, but your rational just doesn't hold.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

There's no one you can argue it was the most legit offer when there was no contracts or details released until AJ refused you're convenient forgetting this and the whole time periods where Wilder has not responded to the offers on the table. You are trying to say you've proven your argument with facts by stringing together quotes that are either out of context or to do with other matters and saying my points are nonesense as I do not care enough to go back through articles and string a timeline of exact dates and what was said.

If you take the time to watch the IFL Barry interview which is down to you, it comes across as he has no shame or need to lie speaking about how he would do it and he also explains how Eddie Hearn runs the boxing side which he found it hard to get used to at first and explaining the contact issues as mentioned by Eddie previously.

I am not being onsided as I already mentioned AJ is in no rush due to business reasons and the flat fee shows this. But the 50 mil offer was never clarified so AJ could have been selling self for a night with Finkel for all they knew. If BT was mentioned at the time this would have been a pretty big deal breaker and a get out of jail free excuse for AJ to use for the fans. Therefore showing proof that failing to disclose this information alone shows dishonesty and unethical intent of Finkel.

As far as fight prediction goes of AJ comes out as the aggresor and destroys Povetkin I'd say Wilder is **** in trouble if they fight next.

However if AJ fights Povetkin like he did against Parker which looked scared and panicked when Parker was on the offence, I'd question whether AJ has what it takes mentally and give the odds to Wilder landing the infamous right hand.

Again, BTsport was in the term sheet that was sent to Hearn. Hearn is on record saying there was a rival broadcaster attached to the offer. Just because you didn't know until recently means nothing. The $50 million offer was tendered to Hearn before he announced his deal with DAZN, which by the way was announced for US streaming, while BTsport is UK streaming. Anyway Hearn announced the DAZN deal in May, they received the term sheet which included BTsport in April. As Dazn is covering Hearns US streaming, BTsport should pose no issues. The actual issue is Showtime has it's own streaming service in the US, and was likely what made it difficult for DAZN to get in on the deal. As it was also reported before talks broke down, that Hearn was trying to secure a two fight deal for Wilder to fight on DAZN.

Again, you've admitted you don't have a full grasp of what actually went down here. I'm willing to except that you are definitely not a "fan boy", but you are an AJ fan, and you won't see the negotiations for what they really were. I used to write boxing articles for three different publications, so this is kinda what I love to do. I was also one of the first people to come on here and say it looked like Wilder was going to fight Fury before negotiations were even revealed. And through some of my old sources, I was the fist person to come on here and say Wilder vs. Fury was already agreed to, about two weeks before Fury's last fight. My point being, I come to this from an objective view as if I were still writing an article, and I do love to follow the time lines and find the facts.

[aboutfkntime]

nice 3 month old articles.....

do facts expire in your little world ?

FACT: Wilder called Joshua's bluff TWICE..... Joshua ran, TWICE

..... is this the same offer hearn says they accepted, asked for a contract and wouldn't sign it after he sent it? around we go...this is posturing man. when the revenue is there, both sides will come together and get it done...it almost always works that way.

it is the same 50ml offer that Joshua demanded, but then refused

and it is the exact same 15mil low-ball offered from Joshua, that was accepted by Wilder LOL..... but then REFUSED again by Joshua

keep fighting the good fight, kermit

[aboutfkntime]

Again, BTsport was in the term sheet that was sent to Hearn. Hearn is on record saying there was a rival broadcaster attached to the offer. Just because you didn't know until recently means nothing. The $50 million offer was tendered to Hearn before he announced his deal with DAZN, which by the way was announced for US streaming, while BTsport is UK streaming. Anyway Hearn announced the DAZN deal in May, they received the term sheet which included BTsport in April. As Dazn is covering Hearns US streaming, BTsport should pose no issues. The actual issue is Showtime has it's own streaming service in the US, and was likely what made it difficult for DAZN to get in on the deal. As it was also reported before talks broke down, that Hearn was trying to secure a two fight deal for Wilder to fight on DAZN.

Again, you've admitted you don't have a full grasp of what actually went down here. I'm willing to except that you are definitely not a "fan boy", but you are an AJ fan, and you won't see the negotiations for what they really were. I used to write boxing articles for three different publications, so this is kinda what I love to do. I was also one of the first people to come on here and say it looked like Wilder was going to fight Fury before negotiations were even revealed. And through some of my old sources, I was the fist person to come on here and say Wilder vs. Fury was already agreed to, about two weeks before Fury's last fight. My point being, I come to this from an objective view as if I were still writing an article, and I do love to follow the time lines and find the facts.

[Real King Kong]

But negotiations are staged. If the offer wasn't real, why did Hearn negotiate it, then ultimately reject it, not because it was a bad offer, but because it wasn't an offer for the UK? Why go through the trouble of negotiating with Showtime PPV, Warren for BTsports streaming? Why would Espinoza, President of Showtime sports, offer up an additional $30 million? I'm sorry, but your rational just doesn't hold.

well why did wilder "accept" hearn's offer, but not sign the contract? when the revenue increases, which it will if they both keep winning, the fight will get made. I don't think the fight happening in 2018 was ever the plan.

[Real King Kong]

do facts expire in your little world ?

FACT: Wilder called Joshua's bluff TWICE..... Joshua ran, TWICE





it is the same 50ml offer that Joshua demanded, but then refused

and it is the exact same 15mil low-ball offered from Joshua, that was accepted by Wilder LOL..... but then REFUSED again by Joshua

keep fighting the good fight, kermit

so if wilder "accepted" the offer, why wasn't the contract signed? I mean the articles you linked were pertaining to the offer that he allegedly accepted, requested a contract for, but failed to sign. his team knows the fight hasn't fully cooked and are holding out for when it will generate the most revenue...same as hearn. the fury fight should help with that.

[aboutfkntime]

well why did wilder "accept" hearn's offer, but not sign the contract? when the revenue increases, which it will if they both keep winning, the fight will get made. I don't think the fight happening in 2018 was ever the plan.

because Hearn..... 1) refused to confirm a date/venue..... 2) refused to include wording that guaranteed Joshua next

Hearn wanted his reason to avoid that fight to be official

and you absolutely 100% know that you fkn clown lol

keep embarrassing yourself foolio

[aboutfkntime]

so if wilder "accepted" the offer, why wasn't the contract signed? I mean the articles you linked were pertaining to the offer that he allegedly accepted, requested a contract for, but failed to sign. his team knows the fight hasn't fully cooked and are holding out for when it will generate the most revenue...same as hearn. the fury fight should help with that.

grow up you silly kid

you are so invested in making silly excuses for Joshua, you likely don't even realize how badly you are embarrassing yourself

you will have to burn that shht account now