Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua, Hearn Degraded Me - $15 Mill & No Percentage!

[Ake-Dawg]

I add everything up. I didn't think he was well known enough to bring much to the table. The fact that he is american didn't mean much to me then, why? Because not a lot of american knows much or cared about his fights.

Like i said in previous posts, i think the whole saga has propel his career before the Bermane S/Ortiz fights not much hype surrounding him, which for me was a shock.

Now he can command bigger pay, audience even without a bigger name, and he has Joshua to thank for that.

How much more does he have to bring than the WBC belt, a chance at being undisputed, and the most danger Joshua has ever faced. You don't think the portion of the pot which is generated solely because the two individuals are fighting each other should be split.

He commanded bigger pay last spring and the boxing world backed him. Not one promoter or boxer held the opinion that the flat fee was a good deal or more than Wilder deserved as you believed.

[juggernaut666]

but at that point would it be fair to say hearn should throw all the flat fee talk and offer him at least 40-45%????

Hearn cannot offer a flat fee if second negotiations are persued regardless unless Wilder loses ! Nor would he .

Hes not going to offer over 40 % and nor should he there as well.

Joshuas brand isnt going to suddenly shrink bc Wilder media stunt here , if anyone ACTUALLY is following the build up it is using Joshua name to sell it thats a fact .

A month , a year , TEN years after Wilder fights Fury he has not proved hes the best unless he fights Joshua who is ranked over him in every major ranking system .

[Raggamuffin]

Hearn cannot offer a flat fee if second negotiations are persued regardless unless Wilder loses ! Nor would he .

Hes not going to offer over 40 % and nor should he there as well.

Joshuas brand isnt going to suddenly shrink bc Wilder media stunt here , if anyone ACTUALLY is following the build up it is using Joshua name to sell it thats a fact .

A month , a year , TEN years after Wilder fights Fury he has not proved hes the best unless he fights Joshua who is ranked over him in every major ranking system .

Persued??? Why you dumb JDB ****!!! Lmao...

[Ray*]

Exactly. It if wasn't for the fact that Joshua's cowardice was put on blast and propelled into the spotlight...Wilder's popularity wouldn't have risen, lmao. You're right. And now Fury fight is putting the spotlight more on Wilder. It's funny how things work out isn't it, lmao!!!??? **** Hearn and the stoic, stiff one.

As long as it means fans getting more competitive fights then great for everyone involve.

[Scipio2009]

Yes but the key word is IF.
If it does those numbers you say. Then sure Deontay deserves 50-50.
But it ain't that easy to do 500K PPV buys.

No one's saying that it's gonna be easy; still, it's not some impossibility.

[Ray*]

PPV. I've heard the fights versus the two journeyman did well financially considering the circumstances.

Not sure what the PPV stuff is with those fights to be honest. His comeback fight was a big deal here though (Before the fight not so much after).

[Ray*]

How much more does he have to bring than the WBC belt, a chance at being undisputed, and the most danger Joshua has ever faced. You don't think the portion of the pot which is generated solely because the two individuals are fighting each other should be split.

He commanded bigger pay last spring and the boxing world backed him. Not one promoter or boxer held the opinion that the flat fee was a good deal or more than Wilder deserved as you believed.

No i don't think so, i had the same argument with GGG fans before the whole saga with Canelo in their first fight. It takes two to tango, but in my humble opinion when one fighter gets offered a chance to fight for triple not even five times their usual pay and they refuse it then i don't usually blame the bigger name. (Not even considering the chance to earn all the belt).

[Ake-Dawg]

So I didn't say this, you're arguing with a straw man of your own construction. Wilder gets whatever he can from the market. Your price in the market depends on what you can generate and your decisions on what opportunities to pursue or how to calculate risk and reward depend on what your alternative options for generating revenue are.

Forgive me if I question your knowledge of the UK market and ask you to back up this assertion. For my part I simply refer to the points I made earlier. What leverage can be realistically employed on a man who earned $47m last year, who will have sold 250,000 tickets for his last four fights, who has a rapidly expanding portfolio of lucrative commercial partnerships, excellent relations with key broadcast partners, holds 3 of the four major titles as well as the lesser fourth and who generates sufficient revenue to make him a desirable option for any of the leading players in the division?



That's ok, I never write expecting a reply. I enjoy debating here and am happy to leave my response for others to read or not as they wish.

You may not have said that Wilder's purse in a fight with Joshua should be based on his prior purses or individual drawing power, but it has been said multiple times on NSB. Seems like no Joshua fans, sans a couple of reasonable boxing fans who favor Joshua, appear willing to comment to those who continue to speak such nonsense.

Secondly, you gave a great argument for why Joshua likely wouldn't take a fight and risk a loss to Wilder. That's a personal decision that he is certainly free to make. However, the amount of money he makes as an individual/the amount of money he makes outside of boxing has no impact on Wilder's value to the fight. Fighting Wilder is Joshua's biggest pay day. There is a reason for that.

[Boksfan]

Hearn cannot offer a flat fee if second negotiations are persued regardless unless Wilder loses ! Nor would he .

Hes not going to offer over 40 % and nor should he there as well.

Joshuas brand isnt going to suddenly shrink bc Wilder media stunt here , if anyone ACTUALLY is following the build up it is using Joshua name to sell it thats a fact .

A month , a year , TEN years after Wilder fights Fury he has not proved hes the best unless he fights Joshua who is ranked over him in every major ranking system .

Lmao does any fool really believe Wildher gonna get anything over 40% ever against Joshua?

[Ake-Dawg]

No i don't think so, i had the same argument with GGG fans before the whole saga with Canelo in their first fight. It takes two to tango, but in my humble opinion when one fighter gets offered a chance to fight for triple not even five times their usual pay and they refuse it then i don't usually blame the bigger name. (Not even considering the chance to earn all the belt).

By that logic, the guy who is the bigger draw gets to screw over the "B-side" every time. It essentially says that your past purse is more important than your current value.