Tyson Fury's ranking on popular sites and orgs.

[saintpat]

joe louis was enlisted in the army during some small war, what was it called again?

and jack dempsey is a perfect example of this mythic idea of "lineage" that can't be broken by reasonable things one should assume would break lineage, like a drug suspension and retirement from boxing for almost three years in the case of tyson fury, is completely impractical. jack dempsey didn't fight black fighters. he wasn't the world champion of anything. he was the white world champion and he didn't even ahve ot defend his title.

this will derail the converstaion, but do you think jack dempsey had a good reign, or that what he did with the "lineage" was acceptable.

and after deciding for yourself[ and not based on some idea generated by others that is completely impractical if it allows for the cases i mentioned,] do you think tyson fury is still the lineal champion after not fighting for years and failing a drug test for nandrolone? i understand that his drug test was swept under the rug and honestly maneuvered brilliantly by his handlers, but he tested positive for nandrolone, an anabolic steroid and not the kiddie pool of PEDs, and lost his license to box. then he tested positive for coke, hit about 350-400 lbs, and REALLY lost his license to box.

would lennox lewis be lineal champion if he came out of retirement? again, this conversation ends up sounding ******, doesn't it?

I never really thought Fury was retired. I doubt most people thought he’d never fight again.

If Lewis came back, I wouldn’t consider him still camp as a new lineage had been created, which isn’t the case with Fury ... if Fury came back after an AJ-Wilder showdown had established a new lineage, I wouldn’t consider him to be still lineal either.

As for the drug test, I gather people don’t really pay much attention to those things ... how is Povetkin still able to fight for the title, would he not be champ if he beats AJ? If he beats AJ and Wilder, would you not consider him lineal champ?

I’m not majorly invested in who is or isn’t lineal champ, it’s a mythical thing but then again we live in an age where AJ proudly holds up the IBO title — when is his mandatory due, btw? We have multiple champs and it helps makes sense of who the ‘real’ champ is (not just heavyweight btw) and who is just a beltholder.

Fury vs. Wilder is an intriguing fight. Part of what makes Tyson’s lineage interesting and meaningful is that AJ’s status mostly comes down to him beating Wlad (I don’t see anyone screaming about his big win over Charles Martin). And we all know Fury is the one who beat Wlad first .

For that matter, if time off is a consideration, how much stock should we put in AJ’s win over an inactive Wlad, being as that win is what his entire legacy rests upon?

[SuperSuperLeeds]

I never really thought Fury was retired. I doubt most people thought he’d never fight again.

If Lewis came back, I wouldn’t consider him still camp as a new lineage had been created, which isn’t the case with Fury ... if Fury came back after an AJ-Wilder showdown had established a new lineage, I wouldn’t consider him to be still lineal either.

As for the drug test, I gather people don’t really pay much attention to those things ... how is Povetkin still able to fight for the title, would he not be champ if he beats AJ? If he beats AJ and Wilder, would you not consider him lineal champ?

I’m not majorly invested in who is or isn’t lineal champ, it’s a mythical thing but then again we live in an age where AJ proudly holds up the IBO title — when is his mandatory due, btw? We have multiple champs and it helps makes sense of who the ‘real’ champ is (not just heavyweight btw) and who is just a beltholder.

Fury vs. Wilder is an intriguing fight. Part of what makes Tyson’s lineage interesting and meaningful is that AJ’s status mostly comes down to him beating Wlad (I don’t see anyone screaming about his big win over Charles Martin). And we all know Fury is the one who beat Wlad first .

For that matter, if time off is a consideration, how much stock should we put in AJ’s win over an inactive Wlad, being as that win is what his entire legacy rests upon?

Its really not a mythical thing it quite simply is the man who beat the man who was consensus number one, it has a rich and traceable history in the hw division. A new lineage starts when lineal champ retires without losing the lineal title, even if fury had of officially retired and not returned it would still be up in the air until wilder vs AJ fight. AJ cant claim to be the man without beating a wbc champ undefeated who was here before him how does that work or make sense? if joshua unified all belts while fury was retired i guess yeah hed still have a claim to it but he picked up vacant belts and beat the weakest paper champ parker, hes had a very methodical route to the top and avoided the most dangerous fellow champ. thats not stuff lineage is made of. and yes if fury had of returned hes still the man, its like when tyson beat spinks it was still an important bout and passed on the official lineage

[SuperSuperLeeds]

Wilder vs fury, for the number 1 heavyweight fighter in the world. Aj will stay in london as the new sven ottke

[N/A]

TBRB - #8
Ring Magazine - #10
ESPN - Not top 10
WBC - #5
WBA - Not top 15
IBF - Not top 15
WBO - Not top 15

He's not a top rated HW. FACT.

I know you started watching boxing yesterday, but ratings have nothing to do with the lineal world heavyweight championship.

He's not in the top 15 for the WBA, IBF and WBO because he hasn't asked to be. The organizations rate the fighters currently pursuing their title and lobbying for a ranking in that organization. His team has only pursued a WBC rating, where he is now in the top 5.

But sanctioning body ratings are irrelevant when analyzing who is the best in the world. Sanctioning bodies don't rate the best in the world, they rate the best in that particular body.

Fury's TBRB rating of #8 seems appropriate to me. Convenient though that you left out that he's #5 in Boxrec.

Ring Magazine is irrelevant since they're now owned by Golden Boy Promotions.

[Larry the boss]

I dont get how you make a thread saying he isnt a top ranked heavy then list he is a top ranked heavy in the opening post...

[Azzie]

What does earn got anything to do with it? And this is a voluntary defense, not no damn mandatory defense.

Fury 2.5 years ago left as the top dog, and he is active again so he will be rightfully ranked in the top 10. No one is saying to rank him #1, because that he will have to prove again. But as for the top 10? Sure, just showing he is active gets him there as he left on top.

You need to be ranked for voluntary.

[KTFOKING]

You need to be ranked for voluntary.

And he is ranked in the top 5 in the WBC.

But even if Fury wasn't ranked in the WBC, they would have allowed the fight to go on and then magically ranked him inside the top 15.

[Azzie]

And he is ranked in the top 5 in the WBC.

But even if Fury wasn't ranked in the WBC, they would have allowed the fight to go on and then magically ranked him inside the top 15.

He is magically ranked high in WBC, the belt he never had, coincidence?

[daggum]

I know you started watching boxing yesterday, but ratings have nothing to do with the lineal world heavyweight championship.

He's not in the top 15 for the WBA, IBF and WBO because he hasn't asked to be. The organizations rate the fighters currently pursuing their title and lobbying for a ranking in that organization. His team has only pursued a WBC rating, where he is now in the top 5.

But sanctioning body ratings are irrelevant when analyzing who is the best in the world. Sanctioning bodies don't rate the best in the world, they rate the best in that particular body.

Fury's TBRB rating of #8 seems appropriate to me. Convenient though that you left out that he's #5 in Boxrec.

Ring Magazine is irrelevant since they're now owned by Golden Boy Promotions.

so wilders fighting the 8th best heavyweight in the world. wow great

[daggum]

He is magically ranked high in WBC, the belt he never had, coincidence?

sometimes when a guy wants to cherry pick they will make sure to put the guy hes fighting in the new rankings if they arent in there yet after they sign to fight even trump is like well done on that corruption