Gennady golovkin getting credit for work he has not done

[Boxing Goat]

Can you understand why older posters don't really acknowledge the WBO and all the other sanctioning bodies I mentioned?

FWIW, I felt the same with the IBF and I personally know some of the IBF guys as the organization is New Jersey based.

The facts don't change no matter who agrees or not. That's how facts work.

[The Big Dunn]

Ok, well then, I'm pretty surprised by your uncontrollable bias since you've been a fan longer than I.

Not liking GGG is not biased. It's just not liking him. There have been a number of fighters that are better-Leonard, ODH, Roy, Manny-that I also didn't like either.

Don't see why not liking him is such an issue.

[Boxing Goat]

I don't think he realizes how frequently WBO belts were vacated during the early years. I also don't know if he realizes why ODH went after Sturm and the WBO belt-and how many felt he lost that fight. I know I did.

How many times a title was vacated means absolutely nothing. By 2004 it was a well respected title. The organization was fully established and credited in the 90's. If you don't like it, that's not my doing or problem.

[The Big Dunn]

The facts don't change no matter who agrees or not. That's how facts work.

This is a long non answer. No one is suggesting facts change.

[Boxing Goat]

Not liking GGG is not biased. It's just not liking him. There have been a number of fighters that are better-Leonard, ODH, Roy, Manny-that I also didn't like either.

Don't see why not liking him is such an issue.

Not liking him is one thing. Not recognizing facts about him because of it is another story. I can't stand Floyd on a personal level but that doesn't keep me from acknowledging his in ring brilliance and ATG resume. That's how I know I'll always be up on posters like you on here. I think on another level. It's that simple to me. You're like Zab Judah of boxing knowledge while I'm like Floyd. There's levels and I'm just on another level.

[Nay_Sayer]

I don't think he realizes how frequently WBO belts were vacated during the early years. I also don't know if he realizes why ODH went after Sturm and the WBO belt-and how many felt he lost that fight. I know I did.

^This.

Back in the day, late 80's - early 90's, the WBO was seen as a J O K E of an organization whose belts were largely held by Eurobums too afraid to take an ass-whipping from their American/Mexican counterparts. Dariusz Michalczewski anyone? Lol..

[Nay_Sayer]

Ok, well then, I'm pretty surprised by your uncontrollable bias since you've been a fan longer than I.

Pot, meet Mr Kettle.

LMAO

[The Big Dunn]

How many times a title was vacated means absolutely nothing. By 2004 it was a well respected title. The organization was fully established and credited in the 90's. If you don't like it, that's not my doing or problem.

the wbo MW title wasn't respected by all in the boxing community in 2004. The MW belt had been vacant for most of the 3 years prior to 2003. part of the reason why it wasn't respected was they couldn't get credible people to fight for the belt. They all wanted the legit champ in Hopkins.

Then some south american journeyman grabbed it, then sturm got it. Once ODH beat Sturm, his holding the belt gave it luster and Bhop winning it made it legit.

You don't know this and you are not going to factor it into how you see things so we can just end this here.

[Nay_Sayer]

The facts don't change no matter who agrees or not. That's how facts work.

Here is a FACT for you Junior; Canelo Alvarez is THE Champion @ 160.

Now, run along and get your diaper changed. You have this whole forum smelling like ****.

Lol..

[The Big Dunn]

Not liking him is one thing. Not recognizing facts about him because of it is another story. I can't stand Floyd on a personal level but that doesn't keep me from acknowledging his in ring brilliance and ATG resume. That's how I know I'll always be up on posters like you on here. I think on another level. It's that simple to me. You're like Zab Judah of boxing knowledge while I'm like Floyd. There's levels and I'm just on another level.

WTF? This is crazy talk. what fact about GGG am I not recognizing?