Gennady golovkin getting credit for work he has not done

[strykr619]

Are they MW's? No they are HWT's. None of the WBO title holders were legit HWT champs during this period, especially considering how often the title was vacant.

Doesn't matter what weight class the argument was is the WBO a legitimate org for its title to matter.

[strykr619]

Damn this shjt is crazy! Some toe-the-line when it suits them & others use basic reasoning! Statistics are kept for a reason though, but when rules are changed or flat-out not adhered to it makes all this discussion utterly meaningless.

We'll count B-Hop as unified undisputed champion while not having the WBO but not count GGG as doing the same & having the same belts? B-Hop was the beneficiary of a tournament to even get him, Holmes, Joppy & Tito to fight. Golovkin has had no such benefit & the sanctioning bodies have not helped him at all in the quest.

We'll count B-Hop's defenses for the IBF but not GGG's for the "regular" WBA? (Even though the Super Champ flat refused on numerous occasions & was allowed to do so by the corrupt WBA?). Elevating Sturm to WBA Super without unification, changing the rules to include 5-defense champions yet Golovkin defended his "regular" title 10 times before promotion.

Saul was still considered Lineal MW champ even after dropping back down in weight for Smith & proclaiming himself "not a MW" while the #1 & #2 MW's in GGG & DJ squared off to form a clear line of establishing a new MW champion. Yet the lineal stayed with Canelo even if breaking it's rules.

Some say these are excuses, other say these are reasons for how history plays out, all at a later stage & as time progresses to make the accomplishments that much harder to achieve.

/end rant

This whole rant is the numero uno reason WHY we need to go BACK to one recognized belt as the champ.

[Chrismart]

The guy in the video saying people have been calling GGG undisputed is a bit weird. Who calls him that?
He says people think GGG would beat BJS, while he doesn't. But people thinking GGG is the best MW and that he would beat BJS is very different from people claiming GGG is undisputed. Where's he seen people claim that?

He says don't give GGG credit for being undisputed if he beats Canelo. Who is saying he will be?
I thought I was taking his words to literal at first, but he keeps saying it.

He's also a bit selective when talking about Hopkins resume.
At one point he's almost saying 'he didn't beat weak guys, he just beat them before they had a chance to get good.'
People taking a closer look at Hopkin's resume isn't a new media driven agenda to boost GGG defences. Hopkin's resume has always been a sticking point when boxing fans are talking.

I mean, the GGG defence record, I think people questioning the amount is fair. It will go down as a record, but there's a debate to be had, and I see why, and I get that.

I read a piece by Tom Gray the other day. He doesn't agree that GGG has 20. But he also claims Hopkins is on 19 as he doesn't think Hopkin's NC should be counted.

That's another point where i think the guy who made the video is being selective. Why does he count the NC as a defence? Why is he ok with media counting it as a defence? I mean he keeps telling us he's dealing in facts.
It's happened once before I recall, but it's a NC, not a win, loss or draw. It basically didn't happen. It's a fight that isn't even acknowledged on Hopkins final fight record.

[Bjl12]

The guy is a liar and the biggest GGG hater in the world so you pick his video for your GGG hating agenda. The guy is a uneducated moron who can't go five words without saying right.He doesn't make videos. He makes speeches jamming his bias opinion down your throat and taking 10 minutes to say what an intelligent person could say in 30 seconds. Hopkins was NOT the undisputed middleweight champion for the big majority of his title defenses so your guy is just a GGG hating liar. If GGG beats Canelo he breaks Hopkins record and there is not a damn thing you and your idiot crybaby, video making, GGG and AJ hating buddy can do about it.

You do the exact same thing as him except from the opposite viewpoint.

So what are you saying boy?

[Nay_Sayer]

Ok then genius. What have I said that's inaccurate about GGG ?

For starts, you said he's "techincally" the Lineal champion. That is FACTUALLY incorrect. The fight was a declared a DRAW, Einstein. This is an irrefutable FACT.

1 + 1 = 2

Shall we go on?

[N/A]

The WBO has been a respected and recognized world title since the early 1990's.

100% false.

It was a respected and recognized UK title since the early 1990's. It was not a recognized world championship anywhere else that mattered. Nobody considered it a requirement of being undisputed champion until 2007.

For your position to be correct, that would mean Lennox Lewis was never undisputed champion. Is that what you're claiming?

[The Big Dunn]

Doesn't matter what weight class the argument was is the WBO a legitimate org for its title to matter.

True and IMO it wasn't at that time. You don't just get to be world champ because some new organization declares you are.

[Boxing Goat]

For starts, you said he's "techincally" the Lineal champion. That is FACTUALLY incorrect. The fight was a declared a DRAW, Einstein. This is an irrefutable FACT.

1 + 1 = 2

Shall we go on?

We shall go on. GGG won. The proof is that 90% of knowledgeable experts said he did and Byrd had a 118-110 card for Canelo.(clearly a bought card, she even got suspended for it) Shall we go on?

[The Big Dunn]

We shall go on. GGG won. The proof is that 90% of knowledgeable experts said he did and Byrd had a 118-110 card for Canelo.(clearly a bought card, she even got suspended for it) Shall we go on?

No he didn't win. The fight was a draw. People scoring gave the opinion GGG won but that in no way changed the official outcome. We agree Byrd's score was terrible but it was official nonetheless.

So it isn't a fact GGG won.

[Boxing Goat]

100% false.

It was a respected and recognized UK title since the early 1990's. It was not a recognized world championship anywhere else that mattered. Nobody considered it a requirement of being undisputed champion until 2007.

For your position to be correct, that would mean Lennox Lewis was never undisputed champion. Is that what you're claiming?

I'm saying that the WBO was a respected and recognized world title in the 90's. That's why George Foreman, Morrison and Mercer fought for it. You can take that how you want it as a fact.

The End again