Al Haymon's Side Checks

[KTFOKING]

The inactivity complaints is valid for the non-stars. But folks will always try to bring up the big names as being inactive as if they aren't as active as other top fighters. Haymon/SHO will make sure the top guys get how many fights they want. But if you are paid big bucks, you aren't going to want to fight more than two times a year.

Lesser fighters really have no choice. They are hurt with the lack of dates. Which will change with the added FOX dates, but for now they just go with the flow. Again, pay close attention to those types of fighters in the next few months.

[IMDAZED]

And he may be one of the few that Top Rank would be fine allowing to do that. But even that is questionable. I mean which Top Rank fighter minus Pacquiao has their own promotional company?

And Pacquiao's company wasn't seeing that much of a profit. Roach had a ridiculously good deal with him, Koncz did, and GBP and TR were getting paid too. Yeah, I don't see that happening for any of their guys.

[boliodogs]

So that's why so many boxers stick with Haymon. Spence seems happy with him and Spence seems like a smart guy.

[lolpz]

So when DAZN first started up, a lot of folks (mainly Brits), came out and said PBC fighters don't get paid much at all. They are getting peanuts and need to #EarnWithHearn. What did they base this off of? Well, the purses sent to the commission. I remember telling someone Haymon fighters get part of the live gate and merchandise sales by co-promoting and Haymon himself gives them an additional check aside from their purse.

This takes me to an interview Hearn did today or yesterday with TBV, and said Mikey Garcia is making $3 million per fight. Remember, the released figure was only $1 million from Dan Rafael. So for folks wondering just how much Haymon gives them on the side, this is just one example. Now, I'm not saying every Haymon fighter makes $3 million because that simply is not the case. However, the top guys are being taken care of very well. No chance Wilder didn't make at least $3-4 million vs Ortiz. Keith Thurman once had a purse figure of $1.5 million, and then said Haymon cut him another check for $1.2 million after the fight. So when people question what the hell Broner is doing and he turned down twice as much as he makes with Haymon, that simply isn't true. I don't know how much he makes, but good bet is he is in the $2.5 million range himself. And he has his About Billions promotions that he uses to write off the expenses with and gets to make some of the live gate.

At least this is cleared up for those that kept questioning those additional checks and how little the top guys get paid at PBC.

I remember I tried to explain this months ago when everyone was ripping Broner for turning down Hearn's deal.

Nice to see someone else who is good at putting 2 and 2 together, all I was hit with is "None of this is factual, you can't prove it." But that's the point, that exact reason is why it is happening in the first place.

[IMDAZED]

The inactivity complaints is valid for the non-stars. But folks will always try to bring up the big names as being inactive as if they aren't as active as other top fighters. Haymon/SHO will make sure the top guys get how many fights they want. But if you are paid big bucks, you aren't going to want to fight more than two times a year.

Lesser fighters really have no choice. They are hurt with the lack of dates. Which will change with the added FOX dates, but for now they just go with the flow. Again, pay close attention to those types of fighters in the next few months.

I don’t even know which lesser stars are having issues with it. I see a lot of them on off-TV undercards.

[sicko]

It is NOT "SIDE CHECKS" it is the damn Money that Promoters Keep from fighters and don't tell fighters about. Don King was "ALLEGEDLY" great at this, cutting all type of side deals and others deals without fighters knowing. Yeah he will give Tyson his Money but Don King made 3x more off of Tyson than Tyson did off of his own talent.

TV Rights....FOREIGN TV RIGHTS DEALS, Sponsors it is so much money that can be generated from 1 Fight Even GLOBALLY and not just Domestically. Remember they don't have promotional deals so they get ALL OF THEIR MONEY and also own their own Fight Catalog compared to signing with a Promoter in which their Promotion own your ASS just like Eddie Hearn signing Fight Contracts For AJ because he OWNS HIS ASS

Eddie Hearn and Barry Hearn under Matchroom are the ones getting the DAZN and Sky Sports Deals OFF THE BACK OF AJ! With someone like Mayweather, he was getting all his money and got a Network Deal with Showtime for HIMSELF and not his PROMOTER that is the difference!

[KTFOKING]

I don’t even know which lesser stars are having issues with it. I see a lot of them on off-TV undercards.

There are definitely fighters only getting one fight per year:

-Abner Mares (Bigger name than most B-siders) 3 fights in 3 years

John Molina Jr - Zero fights in 2018, one in 2017

Jermall Charlo - One fight in 2017 and he wasn't happy about that. Will soon be a headliner so inactivity won't matter then.

Austin Trout - Two in 2018, but one in 2017 after a 17 month absence. Said a few times that he was fine and healthy and just waiting for a date

Dominick Breazeale - Zero fights in 2018 so far. At best will get one. Won't be called for mandatory shot for at least until end of year at earliest. And even if so, Wilder can elect to unify vs Joshua.

Josesito Lopez- Three fights in three years

Lamont Peterson- Two fights in three years

Rances Barthelemy - Two fights in two years

Terrell Gausha - Zero fights in 2018, at best will get one

John Jackson - Zero fights in 2018, at best will get one

Shawn Porter - One fight in 2018 (Not true B-sider but still)

So yeah, there are plenty of high B-siders and just other not as well known fighters that are inactive. I didn't even want to include guys like Arreola who may or may not still want to fight.

[Scipio2009]

what are haymons more anonymous lower rank fighters getting in their agreement with him? asking because he seems to give a lot to stars but lower guys need more fights

They get to be kept as active as their camps want to be, with Haymon apparently not getting a penny until they're to the point that their seeing $150k per fight (basically about where a fighter should be able to pay Haymon his 15% or whatever the number his, pay his trainer and the rest of the camp, pay their taxes, and still end up taking a good sized check to their bank account)

[Scipio2009]

Lions Only Promotions may have started already or will soon. I know Jermell talked about it before the Trout fight.

Bomb Squad Promotions has a good feel to it. Actually both names do. Surprise Haymon hasn't had Wilder start it already. At least with the Charlos, it would have been hard for them to start it as they aren't headliners. I'm sure that will change very soon. So now they need it, didn't in the past.

... Deontay Wilder already has his own company that co-promoted his fights in Alabama. Can't recall the name of the company

[IMDAZED]

There are definitely fighters only getting one fight per year:

-Abner Mares (Bigger name than most B-siders) 3 fights in 3 years

John Molina Jr - Zero fights in 2018, one in 2017

Jermall Charlo - One fight in 2017 and he wasn't happy about that. Will soon be a headliner so inactivity won't matter then.

Austin Trout - Two in 2018, but one in 2017 after a 17 month absence. Said a few times that he was fine and healthy and just waiting for a date

Dominick Breazeale - Zero fights in 2018 so far. At best will get one. Won't be called for mandatory shot for at least until end of year at earliest. And even if so, Wilder can elect to unify vs Joshua.

Josesito Lopez- Three fights in three years

Lamont Peterson- Two fights in three years

Rances Barthelemy - Two fights in two years

Terrell Gausha - Zero fights in 2018, at best will get one

John Jackson - Zero fights in 2018, at best will get one

Shawn Porter - One fight in 2018 (Not true B-sider but still)

So yeah, there are plenty of high B-siders and just other not as well known fighters that are inactive. I didn't even want to include guys like Arreola who may or may not still want to fight.

It’s not a question if how many times they fought, it’s whether they want to fight more and are complaining.