Kovalev - Biggest hypejob of all times?

[TheBigLug]

Another ridiculous comparison.

What is it with these mugs comparing all time greats who have ATG wins on their resume to a man whose BEST WIN is a 64 year old

Proper mugs

It wasn't a comparison of fighters, you idiot. It was an example of a flawed logic used in this thread, that logic being a fighter is a hype job because he's not as good as he once was.


If you read my post as a comparison between the fighters, then you need to go back to school.

[Roy Jones Jnr]

It wasn't a comparison of fighters, you idiot. It was an example of a flawed logic used in this thread, that logic being a fighter is a hype job because he's not as good as he once was.


If you read my post as a comparison between the fighters, then you need to go back to school.

No, you complete and utter mug, because i never said anything about Kovalev not being the fighter he once was. YOU said that yer silly cvnt, not me, I said he's been a bum since day one. A overrated hypejob who got found out and smashed into bits by the first half decent puncher he's faced who wasn't complety shot.

Now **** off back to where you came from TheBigMug

[TheBigLug]

No, you complete and utter mug, because i never said anything about Kovalev not being the fighter he once was. YOU said that yer silly cvnt, not me, I said he's been a bum since day one. A overrated hypejob who got found out and smashed into bits by the first half decent puncher he's faced who wasn't complety shot.

Now **** off back to where you came from TheBigMug

Who said i was replying directly to you in the first place?

I was merely pointing out that some peoples logic on here is that a fighter was a hype job because they have become a lesser fighter than they once were and started losing some fights.

Just because you started the thread, it doesn't mean every single reply is directed at you, hence it being a thread, not a question and answer session.

Why are you so angry over some internet interaction? haha. The only people that do that are the kind who wouldn't dare speak like that face to face to someone.

[Roy Jones Jnr]

Who said i was replying directly to you in the first place?

I was merely pointing out that some peoples logic on here is that a fighter was a hype job because they have become a lesser fighter than they once were and started losing some fights.

Just because you started the thread, it doesn't mean every single reply is directed at you, hence it being a thread, not a question and answer session.

Why are you so angry over some internet interaction? haha. The only people that do that are the kind who wouldn't dare speak like that face to face to someone.

I'd chin you face to face son, knock you clean out.

Push your wig all the way back.

Now get gone.

[TheBigLug]

I'd chin you face to face son, knock you clean out.

Push your wig all the way back.

Now get gone.

Haha. Meet me then, we can broadcast it live for BoxingScene

[KingHippo]

Exactly. The whole narrative is exhausting. "Bums" and "Hypejobs" don't make it to the top of divisions.

You don't know what it is to be a hypejob. Alvarez was the complete opposite of a hypejob, no media push and virtually unknown outside of a small circle of hardcore fans, but still very talented.

Hypejobs are media creations. The noise and push they generate outweighs their accomplishments and actual skills. Kovalev had the HBO machine behind him, and they built the whole "Krusher" persona around him, even though he had accomplished very little and had holes to his game that was apparent to many observers. He always was a limited fighter to me, questionable defense, horrible footwork and equally horrible stamina. I was called out for being biased and a racist, but all these flaws eventually came to light. But those who were ensnared by the carefully planned marketing campaign were too caught up in the smoke and mirror show to see the forest for the trees. That's what a hypejob is.

[TheBigLug]

You don't know what it is to be a hypejob. Alvarez was the complete opposite of a hypejob, no media push and virtually unknown outside of a small circle of hardcore fans, but still very talented.

Hypejobs are media creations. The noise and push they generate outweighs their accomplishments and actual skills. Kovalev had the HBO machine behind him, and they built the whole "Krusher" persona around him, even though he had accomplished very little and had holes to his game that was apparent to many observers. He always was a limited fighter to me, questionable defense, horrible footwork and equally horrible stamina. I was called out for being biased and a racist, but all these flaws eventually came to light. But those who were ensnared by the carefully planned marketing campaign were too caught up in the smoke and mirror show to see the forest for the trees. That's what a hypejob is.

Amazing that a man with so many flaws and hype arguably beat Ward in the first fight and dropped him in the process. Even if you agree with the decision, how did such a limited hype job run him so close? given the fact Ward is one of the best of a generation.

I don't disagree with all that you say though. I always felt he was more beatable than many thought due to obvious holes, but pretty much every fighter has some flaws.

I don't think he was a hype job at all. Was he an exceptional elite fighter? nope and nobody ever said he was either. HBO promoted and hyped him as an exciting dangerous fighter that was providing knockouts and entertainment, that's all anyone ever thought and that was true for a time.

A hype job would've fallen at the first hurdles and got nowhere near the level Kovalev did. I think you're confusing a hype job with a TV company selling a product. What are you expecting them to say "Tune in to the fight, we have a limited fighter versus a C level punching bag"?

If we're calling a fighter a hypejob because he was promoted by a TV network to sell fights and lost some because he didn't have the tools to win some fight, then we could apply that logic to some of the best fighters in history that have some losses on their record.

[KingHippo]

Amazing that a man with so many flaws and hype arguably beat Ward in the first fight and dropped him in the process. Even if you agree with the decision, how did such a limited hype job run him so close? given the fact Ward is one of the best of a generation.

I think a lot of it had to do with Ward just coming off a long break and still getting accustomed to his new weight, which was made evident by how much more comfortable he looked the second time around.

I don't think he was a hype job at all. Was he an exceptional elite fighter? nope and nobody ever said he was either. HBO promoted and hyped him as an exciting dangerous fighter that was providing knockouts and entertainment, that's all anyone ever thought and that was true for a time.

I think you're either being disingenous or oblivious. Kovalev was most defnitely considered an elite fighter by the boxing public and an undisputable top 3 p4p fighter even though nothing in his resume or skill level warranted that ranking.

A hype job would've fallen at the first hurdles and got nowhere near the level Kovalev did. I think you're confusing a hype job with a TV company selling a product.

No, a hypejob is any fighter who's promotion and exposure is disproportionate with his accomplishments and/or skills. And unless you consider a past prime Jean Pascal a major hurdle, Kovalev still hasn't done anything to validate his elite status. The media invests in products they know will sell, and how exciting or talented they are is only part of the equation. Factors that have nothing to do with actual talent like demographics, personality or even physical appearance also play a major role.

[GoldenGloveLove]

Obviously not a hype job. You'd have to be extremely ****** to believe that.

[S7V7N]

I think a lot of it had to do with Ward just coming off a long break and still getting accustomed to his new weight, which was made evident by how much more comfortable he looked the second time around.

Come on now, Ward signed a 3 fight deal with HBO in Oct '15 fought Brand & Barrera both at 175 over the next year before facing Kovalev in Nov '16. How many tune up's he need to get "acclimated" to his new found weight class? Then 8 more months for the rematch with nothing in-between. Was rusty in first fight but not in second with longer break?

Even the 2nd fight with Kovalev was very close, going back & forth through 7rnds (that's 19 rounds now against Ward that were very even) until Andre landed that huge right hand, very similar to the Alvarez one this past weekend which changed the whole complexion of each outcome.

As some have mentioned, it's very disrespectful to dismiss Sergey (despite his obvious stamina issues) without totally belittling perhaps Andre's greatest achievement.