The Heavyweight Division Hierarchy Got Clearer Yesterday...
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Chisora is years passed being even a fringe contender. He, Parker and Whyte are all pretty much at the same level now. They can be fun to watch and can put on a good show but let’s non confuse that with being top level fighters. Parker is the most skilled of an unskilled bunch but he I just isn’t fit enough to get the job done.Comment
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Dude, why do you expect me to respond to anything you ask without apologizing for your past disrespect?
You can find the names yourself. They are there and they aint British commonwealth champions either...Comment
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No, I know it is better as I said.
I just don't care to prove or disprove anything to folks like yourself who aren't really boxing aficionados anyway.
You like a few fighters and as soon as they lose, you will go silent or even disappear for a while.Comment
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Rather than claim all sorts of silly kudos I think what this really proved as there was more depth to heavyweights than people originally thought. Ortiz and wilder need to get amongst it rather than fight bums.
If anything I would say the heavyweight scene is a lot less clear!Comment
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Well I get where you are going and respect this take even if I do not necessarily agree.Rather than claim all sorts of silly kudos I think what this really proved as there was more depth to heavyweights than people originally thought. Ortiz and wilder need to get amongst it rather than fight bums.
If anything I would say the heavyweight scene is a lot less clear!
Ortiz just KTFO of a guy Parker fought and went 12 with.
If he wasn't a bum when Joseph fought him, why is he one now?
Wilder and AJ have a some common opponents. And more importantly, plenty of the guys each has fought have fought each other.
In other words, they are basically competing in the same talent pool, so to denigrate the resume of one is almost certainly a bad mark against the other.
You wanna say AJ has accomplished more in less time, you can make that argument and I will listen respectfully.
But, I would counter by saying AJ has been more fortunate, has been very carefully matched and managed very well, and has been the lesser of two evils (and more lucrative) in the eyes of those who had to choose between fighting him or Deontay.
And we would both have a point.Comment
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Rather than claim all sorts of silly kudos I think what this really proved as there was more depth to heavyweights than people originally thought. Ortiz and wilder need to get amongst it rather than fight bums.
If anything I would say the heavyweight scene is a lot less clear!
Definitely seems less clear to me.
It seems a golden age of heavyweight boxing. So many big fights to he made and big questions to be answered.
I doubt we see 10 years of domination from anybody, even though that is Joshua's ambition, with the level of competition he fights it's inevitable he will be dethroned one day. There are some great fights that can be made over the next 4 or 5 years.
Joshua
Wilder
Povetkin
Whyte
Miller
T. Fury
Parker
Ortiz
Chisora
Usyk
Bellew
H. Fury
Joyce
Dubois
Gorman
Hrgovic
Kownacki
Ruiz Jr
Kabayel
Yoka
Let's enjoy it. In no particular order, that's the top 20 fighters in the world right there.Comment
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Disagree.Definitely seems less clear to me.
It seems a golden age of heavyweight boxing. So many big fights to he made and big questions to be answered.
I doubt we see 10 years of domination from anybody, even though that is Joshua's ambition, with the level of competition he fights it's inevitable he will be dethroned one day. There are some great fights that can be made over the next 4 or 5 years.
Joshua
Wilder
Povetkin
Whyte
Miller
T. Fury
Parker
Ortiz
Chisora
Usyk
Bellew
H. Fury
Joyce
Dubois
Gorman
Hrgovic
Kownacki
Ruiz Jr
Kabayel
Yoka
Let's enjoy it. In no particular order, that's the top 20 fighters in the world right there.
I have said it before and have no problem repeating it.
When it is all said and done, AJ will be the guy that dominates this era.
Problem is, Hearn is on his way to fugging up that legacy chasing dollars.
This, when there is plenty for everyone.
AJ is not going to be undefeated thru this era he dominates.
Then again, neither was Lewis or Wlad after him.
But, those guys weren't great simply because they won all the time.
Part of the reason they became great was how they dealt with adversity and loss.
They learned early and were better for it in the long run.
AJ needs to fight Ortiz. He needs to fight Wilder.
Even if he loses.
He is still young enough to avenge the losses and learn from them.Comment
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I think this says the most about the whole picture.
Cojanu is just a notch below Parker but made him look ineffective at times. Whyte narrowly escaped getting KO'd in the 12th by holding onto the ropes like a pitbull, not to mention he was beating Parker thru the fight with low blows, tackling, and a bogus headbutt knockdown early in the bout. Yea he did take it to JP for most of the fight, but they're pretty much the same level and Cojanu is kind of close to that.
With Ortiz showing what's up on that level, and Takam (a guy that AJ & Parker hold as a high level contender) getting blasted by the perennial punching bag Chisora, just shows how questionable the Euro sector is.
It also casts some doubt over AJ's resume.
..... and the fact that Wilder KO'd Ortiz just sends it all home.Comment
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