The Heavyweight Division Hierarchy Got Clearer Yesterday...

[Szef]

...and while Britain has plenty to be proud of, there is good reason to believe the best heavys are in the US.

The 3 fights we saw make an excellent case for this.

Chisora sparked out Takam. That's both a plus and a minus for British boxing. It's great for DelBoy, who you have to root for no matter who you are (the guy is just a throwback, a classic example of a guy making a whole lot out of a little). But Takam had a controversial stoppage vs AJ and took Joseph Parker 12 rounds. What DelBoy did reflects badly on both AJ and Parker. How good are they if a washed Chisora can spark out a guy they couldn't? Yes, styles make fights and you can't make any conclusive assertions either way but it is definitely fodder for discussion.

We saw Dillian Whyte beat Joseph Parker. Dillian gets a plus for beating Parker, but maybe Parker just isn't as good as some folks rated him. A few close fights with Ruiz and Takam, 2 boring fights with Hughie Fury and Cojanu...maybe Parker was more fortunate than good. And BTW, Parker has an extra minute in that last round and perhaps we are talking about a different winner. Whyte gets credit as a plus, but the minus is Parker may not be anything more than a former beltholder who did not deserve all of his ranking.

The fight with Luis Ortiz and Razvan Cojanu throws even more fat on the fire. It's very hard to keep making the case that Ortiz is not the 3rd best heavyweight in the world when he does things like he did last night. Sparking out a guy in 2 rounds that went 12 with Parker is a statement no matter what you want to say about Luis. It puts the lie to any sentiments about his age as well. Ortiz is clearly the most skilled guy in the division and remains in good enough shape to not only compete but be counted as among the best.

I think it is clear that 2 of the top 3 guys (Wilder and Ortiz) fight in the US. And, with the addition of Jarrell Miller, it is probably 3 out of the top 5 or 6. British heavyweight boxing is indeed at an all-time high, especially if you throw in Bellew and Tyson Fury. But, the US can still make a very legit claim to having the best in the division.

So what you're saying is UK could've claimed Ortiz when he was a Hearn fighter?

What about big baby?

[Abovetheclouds]

UK heavyweight scene is miles ahead of the US at this moment in time.

No bias, just facts.

But then why should anyone care? As boxing fans just want to see good fights right?

We all want to see Joshua v Wilder. But I won't see it as UK v USA unlike most on here.

This is boxing, not football (soccer).

[_Rexy_]

Watch some folks take that to mean I am saying Parker is fake.

Nothing is further from the truth. He is still young, still has a chance to live up to what was clearly a little hype.

I don't think he's a fake, but putting him in the top 5 is nonsense.

[lfc19titles]

Keep
Smoking that stuff you smoke

You Wilder fans will soon vanish from the forum when he gets knocked out by whyte or aj

Trash that’s what Americans hw boxing is and that’s what you all are on here. Until wilder finds his balls and stops ducking whyte or aj, he is not even in the top 10 heavies

[Tyistall]

Ortiz beat an absolute bum. Get over it and calm down about it. Wilder has fought 39 bums. He gets no credit until he steps it up. Miller is a fat big mouth who will lose as soon as he steps it up too. AJhas done more in 21 fights than Wilder will ever do. Parker, Whyte and even Takam have better resumes than Wilder

[Zn1]

The UK is claiming Parker if the US are claiming Ortiz



I know he's not worth much, but neither is this thread

[daggum]

so whyte and chisora beat much better fighters than ortiz and that proves ortiz is better.....

[koolkc107]

so whyte and chisora beat much better fighters than ortiz and that proves ortiz is better.....

Who?

Who are the "much better fighters" they beat?

Whyte struggled and went 12 with a guy Ortiz sparked out.

Chisora's best win in his last 10 fights (which includes a clear loss to Pulev and a controversial one to Whyte) was last nite vs Takam who is himself a fringe contender at best.

Ortiz has a better resume than both combined.

And his loss to Wilder trumps any win the others have.

[Madison Boxing]

Never seen somebody get so much hype for knocking out somebody you would expect him to knock out.

As for Jarrell Miller... what on earth has he done? He's got a big mouth and that's it... or is that enough to be one of the top guys in the division in some people's eyes?

hes got an 0 , hes american and he talks a good game so automatically he gets thrown into the mix right at the top of the division, even though hes turned down quite a few good fights now.

[Madison Boxing]

so whyte and chisora beat much better fighters than ortiz and that proves ortiz is better.....

apparantly so man.....