Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder Have A Lot To Lose

[MulaKO]

I think a lot of people find fault in the logic that Wilder should take less to become Undisputed Champion but Joshua shouldn't or doesn't have to.

No one seemingly says that the guy who makes tens of millions per fight already and has multiple endorsement deals should forgo 5 million dollars in order to make this fight.
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Then again a percentage split probably saws all of this madness.

Yeah but we’re just casual fans
Too fughin ignorant to realize what you just said
I’ll speak for myself , far from genius but how come we can figure out an agreement but they can’t
Brother it’s all bullchit
They will get away with it because all , and I say all ,the nuthuggers as they call each other , will pay that brownie to watch the ppv and then come over and bash it
Like we were the imbeciles
Just glad the dope and booze didn’t fugh me up to that point of ignorance

[Ake-Dawg]

If Joshua had 0 belts everyone would still want to fight him

He’s the money man of the devision . End of

I would say he is the money man because UK fans have rallied behind him as a champion. If he doesn't fight Martin for the IBF, he doesn't become the money man.

Would UK fans rally behind him if he loses to Povetkin?

[Noelanthony]

You Brits you are so happy now that you are receiving all this attention from an American. I know it has always been your dream all along for Americans to notice you. However, the sad fact is, if Anthony Joshua didn't have all those title belts; Deontay Wilder wouldn't give two shits by Anthony Joshua, his fans or your country.

Damn bro are you a man or a female? What’s all this cattiness in your post? Way too much emotion. Do you want me to answer your post sensibly? You are not in a position to talk for Deontay so keep your mouth shut. I mean that with the greatest of respect as if you are an alpha male such words or being addressed like that by someone you don’t know you may deem as insulting so let me diffuse the situation and just say I’m not into having Skype fights either. Bare in mind I don’t know you so I’m only responding to your statement. You have made some valid posts in the past so I will give you the respect that you deserve.

As a Brit am I glad that we are noticed?...... noticed by who exactly. Also I think it’s self explanatory if Wilder didn’t have a belt what is worth will be. Even with a belt we are all , yes including me,campaigning for him to get a percentage.

In all honesty Wilder would still fight Joshua even if he didn’t have a belt he brings money to the table. In any case it’s not like Wilder chases belts and if so tell me who he has pursued. He has a perfect opportunity now. This is a great opportunity for all Americans the heavyweight division has been dominated by the Europeans for the last 12 years. I want America to be great again. All my favourite actors and rappers are over there so Ive got nothing but love for them

[Laligalaliga]

You Joshua and British fanboys must be living in a Goddamned fantasy world if you think Wilder is going to accept the same terms and conditions as before.

After that older offer was snatched out from under him by Eddie Hearn for a Povetkin fight which included: Fighting on foreign soil, with no rematch clause if he loses, a $15mil Flat-fee, no guarantee or a percentage of the live gate or PPV.

Eddie Hearn is crazy. He turned down a bargain. Now he is forced to start all over again from the scratch by negotiating in good faith; That means to either deal em up straight or don't deal em up at all.

As there's no way Wilder and his people are accepting similar terms now. If you think Wilder is going accept that old contract after that bullshit Bait-and-Switch tactic that Matchroom Boxing tried to put down then you guys are more irrational than I thought.

Why are the Americans saying if wilder loose? I thought the assumption was wilder can never loose, he is a KO king. Why do his fans need a rematch clause?

[champion4ever]

Damn bro are you a man or a female? What’s all this cattiness in your post? Way too much emotion. Do you want me to answer your post sensibly? You are not in a position to talk for Deontay so keep your mouth shut. I mean that with the greatest of respect as if you are an alpha male such words or being addressed like that by someone you don’t know you may deem as insulting so let me diffuse the situation and just say I’m not into having Skype fights either. Bare in mind I don’t know you so I’m only responding to your statement. You have made some valid posts in the past so I will give you the respect that you deserve.

As a Brit am I glad that we are noticed?...... noticed by who exactly. Also I think it’s self explanatory if Wilder didn’t have a belt what is worth will be. Even with a belt we are all , yes including me campaigning for him to get a percentage.

In all honesty Wilder would still fight Joshua even if he didn’t have a belt he brings money to the table. In any case it’s not like Wilder chases belts and if so tell me who he has pursued. He has a perfect opportunity now. This is a great opportunity for all Americans the heavyweight division has been dominated by the Europeans for the last 12 years. I want America to be great again. All my favourite actors and rappers are over there so I be got nothing but love for them

Fine, I apologize. You spoke both tactfully and eloquently. Also, I appreciate the manner and tone in which you spoke.

What drives me is when I hear AJ fans always saying that Deontay should have signed the contract. You can't make a grown man do something that they don't want to do.

When he was all prepared to sign the contract he noticed that Hearn left several key logistical aspects out of it. They were not in writing.

All Wilder did was request that he put those logistics in writing. However Joshua fans say that Eddie Hearn said the fight was going to take place sometime in either October or November of 2018. Well how will he know that if it's not in writing?

Anyhow, when Deontay requested the revised contract with a date and venue, the original contract was snatched right out from under him by Eddie Hearn. Eddie subsequently ended all talks and negotiations and some three weeks later chose to fight Povetkin instead; When he announced to the world that he had only 24 hours in order to do so.

Everyone says that Wilder should have signed the contract anyway without knowing all the details in writing but what if he would have made a mistake? Let's say what if he would have signed a blank contract and then several weeks later it was revealed that Matchroom Boxing had filled in all those blank spaces with a date slated for Wembley in April of 2019 after being promised verbally a date of either October or November of 2018 of this year?

Now don't you agree that would have been a classic Bait-and-switch tactic? So now the old contract is off the table and its time for Matchroom Boxing to draft up a new one in order to bring Wilder back to the table because that original contract was both cruel and unfair.

Yet, Wilder was willing to accept all the terms and conditions of it anyway. Deontay bent and bent some more in order to get this fight done. Now it's time for Anthony to do the very same thing if he sincerely wants this fight to get done.

I hope that I have made more sense this time.

[Straightener]

I would say he is the money man because UK fans have rallied behind him as a champion. If he doesn't fight Martin for the IBF, he doesn't become the money man.

Would UK fans rally behind him if he loses to Povetkin?

I can’t see why not he’s a likeable guy

Povetkin isn’t a push over . I’m just hopeing he doesnt derail the wilder fight

[Laligalaliga]

According to Michael Rosenthal, "Joshua, who holds the IBF, WBA and WBO belts, genuinely wants to unify all the major titles" Yet Joshua turned down fifty million dollars guaranteed. Michael, how can you possibly believe that Joshua wants to unite all the titles after having demanded fifty million dollars on social media and then reneging on what he said? How???
"That brings us back to Joshua vs. Wilder. Hearn has said that the $15 million offer is still on the table, although it would be for a fight in April. He seems optimistic that the fight can happen then. And I have to think that Wilder, seeking a major breakthrough, wants the fight as soon as possible." Wilder tried to make this agreement, but Eddie Hearn was only stalling for time. Eddie Hearn knows that Joshua isn't ready for prime-time Wilder, and Eddie Hearn knows that Joshua will never be ready for prime-time Wilder. Perhaps after Deontay suffers some crippling injury, or spends significant time in prison, or drinks arsenic, or is mutilated by a knife wielding *********, or is somehow blinded in both eyes, Eddie Hearn will judge that Joshua is ready for Wilder. But not before.
"The $15 million offer seems low to me. Perhaps Hearn and Co. could raise that figure to a point where Wilder can’t refuse and we’ll have our epic heavyweight battle." Seems? Seems? Seems? Michael, just how much control over your career does Eddie Hearn exert? Are you a simpleton? How low an offer would Eddie Hearn need to make for you to know and declare that the offer is low? Five million? Two and one-half million? "The $15 million offer seems low" Brilliant, Michael. You are a financial wizard. You speak of 90,000 plus attendance figures, but fifteen million only seems low to you.
"Indeed, let’s hope that greed or stubborn pride or overplaying one’s hand or any other obstacle doesn’t destroy the chances of such a captivating matchup being made. They don’t come along very often." This, Michael if so courageous! Wilder's team flat out guarantees AJ fifty million dollars, but your concluding sentence fails to place the blame on Eddie Hearn and Anthony Joshua - the team that declined Wilder's offer of fifty million dollars guaranteed.
One additional question for you, Michael: If Joshua also declines to fight Wilder for a guarantee of one hundred million dollars ($100,000,000.00), would you finally find the independence/courage/brains to blame Joshua and team for the fight not taking place?

At least AJ has made attempts and has successfully unified 3 belts.
What effort has wilder made?
What does that tell you about who wants to unify the division?
I can't believe you are this dumb.

[SAINTSTEVE]

At least AJ has made attempts and has successfully unified 3 belts.
What effort has wilder made?
What does that tell you about who wants to unify the division?
I can't believe you are this dumb.

You can't give him too much credit for Parker because his was perceived as an easier trinket to pick up than Wilder's. Who is he fighting next after Parker, a champion? No.

[Ake-Dawg]

Yeah but we’re just casual fans
Too fughin ignorant to realize what you just said
I’ll speak for myself , far from genius but how come we can figure out an agreement but they can’t
Brother it’s all bullchit
They will get away with it because all , and I say all ,the nuthuggers as they call each other , will pay that brownie to watch the ppv and then come over and bash it
Like we were the imbeciles
Just glad the dope and booze didn’t fugh me up to that point of ignorance

It could very well all be bs ane just a ploy to enhance sales.

[TexasCowBoy]

Nice article.....would have been great if he hadn't said that 15 million was low....
15 million is putting a value on 1/5 of the titles while AJ hold 4/5 of the titles.