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  • champion4ever
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    #31
    Originally posted by Noelanthony
    Lololololol did he now?

    https://goo.gl/images/LUhNtY
    You Brits you are so happy now that you are receiving all this attention from an American. I know it has always been your dream all along for Americans to notice you. However, the sad fact is, if Anthony Joshua didn't have all those title belts; Deontay Wilder wouldn't give two shits by Anthony Joshua, his fans or your country.

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    • Vae Victis
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      #32
      According to Michael Rosenthal, "Joshua, who holds the IBF, WBA and WBO belts, genuinely wants to unify all the major titles" Yet Joshua turned down fifty million dollars guaranteed. Michael, how can you possibly believe that Joshua wants to unite all the titles after having demanded fifty million dollars on social media and then reneging on what he said? How???
      "That brings us back to Joshua vs. Wilder. Hearn has said that the $15 million offer is still on the table, although it would be for a fight in April. He seems optimistic that the fight can happen then. And I have to think that Wilder, seeking a major breakthrough, wants the fight as soon as possible." Wilder tried to make this agreement, but Eddie Hearn was only stalling for time. Eddie Hearn knows that Joshua isn't ready for prime-time Wilder, and Eddie Hearn knows that Joshua will never be ready for prime-time Wilder. Perhaps after Deontay suffers some crippling injury, or spends significant time in prison, or drinks arsenic, or is mutilated by a knife wielding *********, or is somehow blinded in both eyes, Eddie Hearn will judge that Joshua is ready for Wilder. But not before.
      "The $15 million offer seems low to me. Perhaps Hearn and Co. could raise that figure to a point where Wilder can’t refuse and we’ll have our epic heavyweight battle." Seems? Seems? Seems? Michael, just how much control over your career does Eddie Hearn exert? Are you a simpleton? How low an offer would Eddie Hearn need to make for you to know and declare that the offer is low? Five million? Two and one-half million? "The $15 million offer seems low" Brilliant, Michael. You are a financial wizard. You speak of 90,000 plus attendance figures, but fifteen million only seems low to you.
      "Indeed, let’s hope that greed or stubborn pride or overplaying one’s hand or any other obstacle doesn’t destroy the chances of such a captivating matchup being made. They don’t come along very often." This, Michael if so courageous! Wilder's team flat out guarantees AJ fifty million dollars, but your concluding sentence fails to place the blame on Eddie Hearn and Anthony Joshua - the team that declined Wilder's offer of fifty million dollars guaranteed.
      One additional question for you, Michael: If Joshua also declines to fight Wilder for a guarantee of one hundred million dollars ($100,000,000.00), would you finally find the independence/courage/brains to blame Joshua and team for the fight not taking place?

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      • rickJen
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        #33
        The only offer reportedly accepted was that $15 million, although Hearn claims Wilder’s inability to finish the deal in a timely manner prompted the WBA to order Joshua to defend his WBA belt against Povetkin. He accepted. Shelly Finkel, Wilder’s advisor, disputes Hearn’s scenario. He said he would’ve met the deadline had he been given one.
        See how Finkel now admits he screwed up?
        How can a manager of a high profile boxer not aware of the Povetkin situation?
        Arum, for one, have instant responses on any thing associated with his fighters.
        And it's obvious he, or his wife, is reading BoxingScene articles.
        I'm just a fan, yet I knew about team Povetkin waiting on the sidelines.
        This guy is Klitschko and Wilder's manager!

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        • Curt Henning
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          #34
          it appears the that AJ fanboy have a hard time discerning between the "next fight" and "next fight for both guys"

          wilder wanted there to be NO AJ/Povetkin and NO Wilder/whoever.....wilder wanted the fight for this year and to be NEXT for both guys

          the AJ fanboys are still holding onto "its the next fight...after AJ v. povetkin"...it seems they conveniently have a hard time understanding the difference

          had the fight been NEXT...THIS YEAR....wilder WOULD have signed the deal!!!!!!!!!

          hearn wouldn't do it!

          good god...this isn't difficult...LOL...its actually sad how dumb and desperate the AJ fanboys are

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          • Curt Henning
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            #35
            Originally posted by champion4ever
            You Joshua and British fanboys must be living in a Goddamned fantasy world if you think Wilder is going to accept the same terms and conditions as before.

            After that older offer was snatched out from under him by Eddie Hearn for a Povetkin fight which included: Fighting on foreign soil, with no rematch clause if he loses, a $15mil Flat-fee, no guarantee or a percentage of the live gate or PPV.

            Eddie Hearn is crazy. He turned down a bargain. Now he is forced to start all over again from the scratch by negotiating in good faith; That means to either deal em up straight or don't deal em up at all.

            As there's no way Wilder and his people are accepting similar terms now. If you think Wilder is going accept that old contract after that bullshit Bait-and-Switch tactic that Matchroom Boxing tried to put down then you guys are more irrational than I thought.
            that 15 mil will prob end up looking like a bargain to hearn when it comes time to talk again you are right

            these guys keep holding on to "wilders previous high purse blah blah blah"....meanwhile they were on the complete opposite side of this coin with canelo/golovkin......golovkin didn't sell **** without canelo and was basically in a position similar to wilder.....yet golovkin made out better than ok when negotiating both fights......but now somehow they don't think when you add the two names together it makes for more all around....all they see is AJ this or AJ that.....but they always championed what golovkin brought to the "table" lol

            these guys also don't understand that the boxing world wont give hearn/AJ much more pardon for not making this fight...the boxing and sports media around the world will soon put the pressure...and since they are the A-side that is demanding on holding it in the UK the onus will be on THEM ....and in a way wilder has a bit of a leg up to get himself some more coin in that event

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            • Straightener
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              #36
              Originally posted by champion4ever
              You Brits you are so happy now that you are receiving all this attention from an American. I know it has always been your dream all along for Americans to notice you. However, the sad fact is, if Anthony Joshua didn't have all those title belts; Deontay Wilder wouldn't give two shits by Anthony Joshua, his fans or your country.


              If Joshua had 0 belts everyone would still want to fight him

              He’s the money man of the devision . End of

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              • MulaKO
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                #37
                Originally posted by genrick
                See how Finkel now admits he screwed up?
                How can a manager of a high profile boxer not aware of the Povetkin situation?
                Arum, for one, have instant responses on any thing associated with his fighters.
                And it's obvious he, or his wife, is reading BoxingScene articles.
                I'm just a fan, yet I knew about team Povetkin waiting on the sidelines.
                This guy is Klitschko and Wilder's manager!
                Here you go again
                You admit being just a fan , so you know exactly what we all know
                Wtv you read or saw
                Don’t mean it’s real or truthful
                Again not a fan of either dumbazz

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                • rickJen
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by MulaKO
                  Here you go again
                  You admit being just a fan , so you know exactly what we all know
                  Wtv you read or saw
                  Don’t mean it’s real or truthful
                  Again not a fan of either dumbazz
                  You don't know Povetkin is AJ's mandatory?
                  Are you even a fan?

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                  • MulaKO
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by genrick
                    You don't know Povetkin is AJ's mandatory?
                    Are you even a fan?

                    Nope , just a casual
                    You r the promoter , manager , person who lost himself over two fughin azzholes
                    You fughin fool , do the opposite of above me
                    Mr Boxing Doe

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                    • Ake-Dawg
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Oshio
                      This reads like a kindergarten comment. Only an unserious champ will take that stand. Where is the ambition?
                      I think a lot of people find fault in the logic that Wilder should take less to become Undisputed Champion but Joshua shouldn't or doesn't have to.

                      No one seemingly says that the guy who makes tens of millions per fight already and has multiple endorsement deals should forgo 5 million dollars in order to make this fight.

                      Then again a percentage split probably saws all of this madness.

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