Who ranks higher p4p of all time Bhop, Roy Jones or Pacquiao?

[OCPancho]

Didn't he always pile weight on after the weigh in?

Of course he was dehydrated. When wasn't he?

They weighed in on fight day then.
So, he gained some 15 lbs or so within hours .

[IronDanHamza]

They weighed in on fight day then.
So, he gained some 15 lbs or so within hours .

Ok.

And how did that differ from any of his other fights?

[SkillspayBills]

Pacquaio or Jones.

Hopkins distant 3rd.

Agreed. The debate between Pac and Roy is a great one but BHop is a far third.

[Illmatic94]

I haven't harped on the win.

Let's assume it's true. How do you know it was the only time he used an IV?

Again, Roy Jones knew he'd be "weak" because he was always weak.

What differnence was there for his fight with Roy and any other Toney fight?

Do you have anything to support your claim that Toney nearly fainted at the weigh in?

Simple questions. Why are you avoiding them?

"Let's assume it's true" there you go again. I provided you with links to prove JT was on an IV. there's no need to "assume" anything. so if me providing evidence is not enough theres nothing else left to do. you keep asking for evidence to support he almost fainted yet you're still denying the IV altogether. dont know if trolling or ******. which one.

Using your brain dead logic DLH wasn't hooked up to an IV vs Pacquiao either since there's no pictures or videos of it. this is ultimately what you want. you wanna see a video of a lethargic and weak JT on an IV. an article is not enough you wanna SEE it. well sorry man I dont have footage of it.

go rewatch the fight itself. just the introductions. that's all they really talked about is Toney's weight and how drained he was.

If youre still in denial of the IV stop asking for further proof of anything since your mind is made up.

("what's the difference between this fight and any other Toney fight?" I already answered that)

(YOU said "Roy said he'd be weak because he was ALWAYS weak.") if Toney being this dehydrated and weak was the norm in his career as YOU suggested then prove to me any other fight where JT was 20 lbs overweight less than a week before the weigh in.


go ahead do your homework..

find me any other fight in Toney's career where he had to shed this much weight in training camp. its your turn to provide sources and links for the diarrhea you're spewing.

No links, no sources.. Don't quote or reply anymore.

The difference is JT never had to shed 20lbs with less than a week before weigh in. this made him lethargic and weak which had him hooked to an IV.

but since YOU say this is so common in his career. what other fight did Toney had to shed 20lbs a few days before weigh in??

I feel like i need to repeat things because you either don't read or just ******ed because you keep asking me questions I already answered.

if your next reply doesnt contain a link or a source to ANY other fight where JT was this overweight and drained this debate stops. I think thats fair.

I proved RJ was a roid user.
I proved JT was drained.

You have proven nothing...

Hopkins > RJJ.

I'll be waiting for links and sources remember as you said Toney was "always weak" therefore it shouldn't be hard to prove.

[OCPancho]

Ok.

And how did that differ from any of his other fights?

We didn't go to Denny's the week of the fight then.
Abrecombie and I were dating then.

[kdd]

This is ez. Pac is in top 10 in Atg list and u can argue top 5 wit pac . Can you say any of those guys? Except Roy, he’s tricky cuz in his prime, he was the most talented EVER. But did he live upto it?

[IronDanHamza]

"Let's assume it's true" there you go again. I provided you with links to prove JT was on an IV. there's no need to "assume" anything. so if me providing evidence is not enough theres nothing else left to do. you keep asking for evidence to support he almost fainted yet you're still denying the IV altogether. dont know if trolling or ******. which one.

Using your brain dead logic DLH wasn't hooked up to an IV vs Pacquiao either since there's no pictures or videos of it. this is ultimately what you want. you wanna see a video of a lethargic and weak JT on an IV. an article is not enough you wanna SEE it. well sorry man I dont have footage of it.

go rewatch the fight itself. just the introductions. that's all they really talked about is Toney's weight and how drained he was.

If youre still in denial of the IV stop asking for further proof of anything since your mind is made up.

("what's the difference between this fight and any other Toney fight?" I already answered that)

(YOU said "Roy said he'd be weak because he was ALWAYS weak.") if Toney being this dehydrated and weak was the norm in his career as YOU suggested then prove to me any other fight where JT was 20 lbs overweight less than a week before the weigh in.


go ahead do your homework..

find me any other fight in Toney's career where he had to shed this much weight in training camp. its your turn to provide sources and links for the diarrhea you're spewing.

No links, no sources.. Don't quote or reply anymore.

The difference is JT never had to shed 20lbs with less than a week before weigh in. this made him lethargic and weak which had him hooked to an IV.

but since YOU say this is so common in his career. what other fight did Toney had to shed 20lbs a few days before weigh in??

I feel like i need to repeat things because you either don't read or just ******ed because you keep asking me questions I already answered.

if your next reply doesnt contain a link or a source to ANY other fight where JT was this overweight and drained this debate stops. I think thats fair.

I proved RJ was a roid user.
I proved JT was drained.

You have proven nothing...

Hopkins > RJJ.

I'll be waiting for links and sources remember as you said Toney was "always weak" therefore it shouldn't be hard to prove.

What's the evidence? That Toney said it? You know that him saying it isn't evidence right?

Let's just take it as true because Toney said it, cool, how do you know he didn't use an IV for his other fights?

What are you saying here? That Toney didn't kill himself to make weight for all of his fights back then?

He always rehydrated into 180+. Are you denying that?

I can't believe you are asking me to find a fight where Toney had shed a large amount of weight You really don't know of his career do you? It would be easier to find one where he didn't. He was known for cutting massive amounts of weight and piling it back on. It's the same excuse he used for all of his piss poor performances at 160 conveniently.

You haven't answered them. Literally, you haven't.

You made a claim that he nearly fainted at the weigh in. I am genuinely interested about that as I have never heard that before in my life. Do you have anything to support it or did you pull it out of thin air?

[Illmatic94]

What's the evidence? That Toney said it? You know that him saying it isn't evidence right?

Let's just take it as true because Toney said it, cool, how do you know he didn't use an IV for his other fights?

What are you saying here? That Toney didn't kill himself to make weight for all of his fights back then?

He always rehydrated into 180+. Are you denying that?

I can't believe you are asking me to find a fight where Toney had shed a large amount of weight You really don't know of his career do you? It would be easier to find one where he didn't. He was known for cutting massive amounts of weight and piling it back on. It's the same excuse he used for all of his piss poor performances at 160 conveniently.

You haven't answered them. Literally, you haven't.

You made a claim that he nearly fainted at the weigh in. I am genuinely interested about that as I have never heard that before in my life. Do you have anything to support it or did you pull it out of thin air?

Toney didn't say it. the article I gave you was from NY Daily News. you do know reporters are present during boxing weigh ins and fights then write articles right ? in fact I've never heard Toney himself say anything about an IV so where are you getting this nonsense of "let's take it as true because Toney said it."

I never said "Toney said it" you said that.. I gave you an article of a reporter saying it and he wasn't quoting JT.

You said he was "always weak". Meaning that his drainage and weakness during the Jones fight was the norm in his career. ok then. prove to me what other fight did JT had to lose 20lbs with four days to go before the weigh in... still waitin

"It's the same excuse he used for all of his piss poor performances at 160".. more diarrhea. how many "piss poor performances" did JT have at 160? do you provide links/sources for anything you say?

Your point here is what JT endured during training camp for Jones was the norm for him so its no big deal.. Im asking you to name me any other fight where he had to shed 20lbs in a week. if you can't do it just say it..

You're still stuck on the fainting but I proved the IV yet you reply with "let's assume it's true".

You digging yourself in a hole.

1. How many "piss poor performances" did JT have at 160?

2. What other fight did he have to shed 20lbs a week before weigh in?

oh yeah .. Hopkins > Roid

[IronDanHamza]

Toney didn't say it. the article I gave you was from NY Daily News. you do know reporters are present during boxing weigh ins and fights then write articles right ? in fact I've never heard Toney himself say anything about an IV so where are you getting this nonsense of "let's take it as true because Toney said it."

I never said "Toney said it" you said that.. I gave you an article of a reporter saying it and he wasn't quoting JT.

You said he was "always weak". Meaning that his drainage and weakness during the Jones fight was the norm in his career. ok then. prove to me what other fight did JT had to lose 20lbs with four days to go before the weigh in... still waitin

"It's the same excuse he used for all of his piss poor performances at 160".. more diarrhea. how many "piss poor performances" did JT have at 160? do you provide links/sources for anything you say?

Your point here is what JT endured during training camp for Jones was the norm for him so its no big deal.. Im asking you to name me any other fight where he had to shed 20lbs in a week. if you can't do it just say it..

You're still stuck on the fainting but I proved the IV yet you reply with "let's assume it's true".

You digging yourself in a hole.

1. How many "piss poor performances" did JT have at 160?

2. What other fight did he have to shed 20lbs a week before weigh in?

oh yeah .. Hopkins > Roid

Then who was it who said it in that article? Genuine question.

And, how do you know it was the only time he used an IV? Why won't you answer that?

It was the norm. Or atleast that was the normal excuse.

What piss poor performances? Erm, Williams, Sosa, Tiberi, Johnson ring any bells? Pretty much all of those were blamed on weight.

Like I said it would be easier to find a fight where he didn't have to lose massive amounts of weight as opposed to when he did. Pick one, he lost loads of weight for all of them.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/featu...hat-it-wrought

There you go.

Direct quote from Jackie Kallen in 1991;

"James always had a problem making weight. So some of the tactics used to get down weakened him. James didn't lose the weight in a healthy manner and he paid the price for that"

Is this news to you? That James Toney always killed himself to make weight?

He probably had to lose MORE weight when he was at 160 than when he fought Roy Jones.

Are you going to support your claim he nearly fainted at the weigh in or not?

[FeFist]

Jones/Pacquiao

Hopkins.

Bernard's resume is incredibly overrated imho.