Is Mikey on a HOF trajectory?

[filup79]

Mikey has largely fought bums while Loma has moved up multiple times in a short period of time and taken on fighters that were legitimately expected to give him trouble and/or beat him. Crawford was undisputed at 140, which is an achievement Mikey may never accomplish at any weight class. Diminishing the accomplishments of Loma/Crawford to boost Mikey's resume is not going to work.

If you really believe any of Loma's opponents were supposed to beat him, than u don't know much about boxing. Lomas biggest win is against Linares. Loma might have beaten a named fighter like Walters and GRJ, but exactly have they accomplished? GRJ biggest win is against an aging Johhny Gonzalez and Walters was inactive and only beat a smaller and older Nonito, he couldn't even beat Marriaga and hasn't done anything since. Nobody is diminishing their accomplishments because they are all stuck in the same situation in my opinion.

[chrisJS]

If you really believe any of Loma's opponents were supposed to beat him, than u don't know much about boxing. Lomas biggest win is against Linares. Loma might have beaten a named fighter like Walters and GRJ, but exactly have they accomplished? GRJ biggest win is against an aging Johhny Gonzalez and Walters was inactive and only beat a smaller and older Nonito, he couldn't even beat Marriaga and hasn't done anything since. Nobody is diminishing their accomplishments because they are all stuck in the same situation in my opinion.

Walters beat Marriaga by a fairly wide decision.

He did get a bogus draw with Jason Sosa. Maybe that's what your talking about? He won that fight handily though and Sosa isn't a bum. He, himself got a raw deal with Gamboa and KO'd Fortuna.

[filup79]

Loma in that same boat. LOOOLLLLL, that statement is so wrong, its laughable.

Mikey's resume is incomparable to Loma's resume.

Loma didnt just *talk* about Linares, he fought him. Russell, Axeman, Rigo...and he's done this in 5 years in the game.

So what if he stayed out of the pros until he was older? True, by staying amateur, he may have avoided a loss when he was still green (as what happened w/ Siri). But what matters to me is that once he turned pro - HE MAKES GOOD FIGHTS, w/ challenging opponents.

Mikey's got 10 years in and his resume will be Siri, Broner & (hopefully) Easter. In half the time, Loma has done twice as much as Mikey.

AND LOOOLL at whoever said that Broner will be in the HOF.

Russell was over hyped fighting TBAs when he fought Loma. What exactly has GRJ done, beat an aging Gonzalez. Walters is a nobody as well, hadn't fought in a year and never really beat anyone of note besides Nonito who was smaller and past it, same with Rigo. Never said Loma wan't a talented fighter, Linares was his best win. Lomas wins are made more than they are, just because he just turned pro. Will Loma be this offensive genius for the rest of his career 5-8 years from now? Loma's next fight will be against the Beltran/Pedraza winner, two elite fighters by your standards.

Crawford, Loma and Mikey are all in the same path with regards to the HOF. They all have achieved something on the way.

[filup79]

Walters beat Marriaga by a fairly wide decision.

He did get a bogus draw with Jason Sosa. Maybe that's what your talking about? He won that fight handily though and Sosa isn't a bum. He, himself got a raw deal with Gamboa and KO'd Fortuna.

I like Crawford, Loma and Mikey. They're all talented P4P fighters who in my opinion have faced the best fighters they could at the time and achieved similar achievements. It's easy to knit pick their resume and titles they have won. I've never met Crawford, I know Mikey and have met Loma a few times here in Oxnard, all 3 are willing to fight the best and they're aware that politics sometimes prevents that. Mikey and Loma are willing to fight each other, that's a PPV fight that has been discussed, but will Arum be willing to make that fight knowing Mikey won't allow him to dictate all terms? Lomas next fight will be against Pedraza or Beltran, those names aren't elite but he'll be unifying titles.

[Dr.Cool]

Loma in that same boat. LOOOLLLLL, that statement is so wrong, its laughable.

Mikey's resume is incomparable to Loma's resume.

Loma didnt just *talk* about Linares, he fought him. Russell, Axeman, Rigo...and he's done this in 5 years in the game.

So what if he stayed out of the pros until he was older? True, by staying amateur, he may have avoided a loss when he was still green (as what happened w/ Siri). But what matters to me is that once he turned pro - HE MAKES GOOD FIGHTS, w/ challenging opponents.

Mikey's got 10 years in and his resume will be Siri, Broner & (hopefully) Easter. In half the time, Loma has done twice as much as Mikey.

AND LOOOLL at whoever said that Broner will be in the HOF.

Linares agreed to fight Mikey after each had one more fight. Linares refused to fight Mikey if it wasn't on hbo. Then after both their fights, Linares chickened out and signed to fight Loma in a fight that was not on hbo. There is no way to blame Mikey for that. Linares went back on his word, and proved it was a blatant duck by agreeing to fight Loma on espn.

And AB might very well be in the HOF.


List of 4 division champs:
1:Thomas Hearns
2:Sugar Ray Leonard
3:Roberto Duran
4:Pernell Whittaker
5:ODLH
6:Leo Gamez
7:Roy Jones Jr.
8:Floyd Mayweather
9:Manny Pacquiao
10:Erik Morales
11:Jorge Arce
12:Nonito Donaire
13:Juan Manual Marquez
14:Miguel Cotto
15:Adrien Broner
16:Roman Gonzalez
17:Mikey Garcia

But I get it, Linares refused to fight Mikey, so I guess it is Mikey's fault. He shouldn't have beat all of his opponents so easily. When you walk right through every opponent, guys like Linares get too scared to fight you. Makes sense. If Mikey really wanted to fight the best, he wouldn't beat everyone so convincingly.

Juan Ma, Salido, AB

Mikey don't just fight the best, he beats them too!

[sensfulviolence]

Russell was over hyped fighting TBAs when he fought Loma. What exactly has GRJ done, beat an aging Gonzalez. Walters is a nobody as well, hadn't fought in a year and never really beat anyone of note besides Nonito who was smaller and past it, same with Rigo. Never said Loma wan't a talented fighter, Linares was his best win. Lomas wins are made more than they are, just because he just turned pro. Will Loma be this offensive genius for the rest of his career 5-8 years from now? Loma's next fight will be against the Beltran/Pedraza winner, two elite fighters by your standards.

Crawford, Loma and Mikey are all in the same path with regards to the HOF. They all have achieved something on the way.

Nope, you can try an spin their resume's all you want, but I have Loma & Bud as surefire HOFs right now, as long as they mantain, while Mikey must step up his opposition.

Loma's resume is MUCH better than Mikey's resume. Bud's resume is a bit better than Mikey's, and he benefits bc he cleared out the best at 140, something Mikey has never done.

Linares, GRJ, Rigo Axeman >>>>>> Broner, Lipnets, (Easter)
Gamboa, Postol, Indongo, Diaz >> Mikey's resume.

[Zaroku]

If he beats Loma, Spence and Crawford and finishes his career undefeated then I think he would be a 1st ballot HOF'er

Loma gotta gain a few lbs.. Mikey gots skills..

[sensfulviolence]

If you think that Broner belongs in the HOF just because he had a strap in 4 divisions, then I dont know what to tell.

Who did he beat to get those straps?? Actually, I dont even remember, but I know they were mediocre at best.

Broner's best performances were: Paulie. Rees? Allakadiev (sp.). Everytime he stepped up, he lost. LOL, if you think thats a HOF resume, I suggest you stop watching boxing.

[Dr.Cool]

Nope, you can try an spin their resume's all you want, but I have Loma & Bud as surefire HOFs right now, as long as they mantain, while Mikey must step up his opposition.

Loma's resume is MUCH better than Mikey's resume. Bud's resume is a bit better than Mikey's, and he benefits bc he cleared out the best at 140, something Mikey has never done.

Linares, GRJ, Rigo Axeman >>>>>> Broner, Lipnets, (Easter)
Gamboa, Postol, Indongo, Diaz >> Mikey's resume.

Post BALCO Gamboa, Postol, Indongo, and Diaz??? Get out of here. Also, Bummed enters the ring weighing 160. Mikey enters the ring at 145.

Also, both Mikey and Loma fought Salido. Only one of them beat Salido though.

Juan Ma, prime Salido, AB, and Lipinets>>>Postol, Indongo, Dulorme

There is absolutely no way to defend Bummed's resume and cry about Mikey's. That alone proves

[sensfulviolence]

Juan Ma, Salido, AB

Mikey don't just fight the best, he beats them too!

LOOOOOLLL at calling JuanMa "the best" when Mikey fought him. Now you KNOW Mikey's resume is weak, when you've got folks citing JuanMa washed ass as a good point on his resume.


As for the negotiating history w Linares.... I dont care. I care about the fights. Im not going to go into negotiating history of every possible matchup (Why didnt Mikey fight Linares? Loma, Bud, etc etc.).

Your resume is your resume, however it happened. If boxing is conspiring to prevent your greatness, than so be it.