Disspelling the Floyd-USADA Conspiracy

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  • travestyny
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    #161
    Originally posted by Shape up

    Come now ******ny, I've posted the video of fluid saying himself that his urine was darker than normal, that came straight from the cheat, you couldn't answer the questions last time in 100+ pages, stop sucking fluids knob
    You’re a liar. You are the poster that said he diluted his sample by making his sample more concentrated.

    Don’t make me go find the posts. You are a complete moron. Don’t even write to me. You are brain dead. And if you write to me again, I’ll definitely go find that post and embarrass you.

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      #162
      Originally posted by Illmatic94
      did the paramedics arrived at his house in a limousine?
      What temperature does steel melt at? Who cares. USADA stated:

      "The DCO was also in the home when the paramedic was called and remained in the home while the paramedic provided the IV.”

      WADA code simply requires a TUE. Doesn't require that the paramedic take an uber while wearing boat shoes.

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      • Illmatic94
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        #163
        this is clear non biased take on this whole IV mess https://www.thefightcity.com/why-it-...r-andre-berto/

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        • Shape up
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          #164
          Originally posted by travestyny
          Because every time someone is dehydrated, it is to the same exact degree and calls for the same exact treatment.

          Makes sense.
          . Medical best practice treatment
          Legitimate medical indications for IV infusions are well documented and are most commonly associated with either medical emergencies or in-patient care.
          When an IV infusion is administered to an athlete, the following criteria should be fulfilled:
          1. A clearly defined diagnosis.
          2. Supportive evidence that no permitted alternative treatment can be
          used.
          3. The treatment has been ordered by a physician and administered by
          qualified medical personnel in an appropriate medical setting. 4. Adequate medical records of the treatment.
          The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion.-------- was it an emergency-NO------- was it an appropriate medical setting-NO-------- can the DCO authorise an IV-NO--------- was there any indication at the weigh in 2 hours earlier by the doctor of severe dehydration-NO--------can a paramedic authorise an IV-NO, --------did fluid try and write into the contract that if a TUE was issued that it didn't have to be disclosed to the commission or pacquaios team- YEESSSS, WHY WOULD HE DO THAT

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            #165
            Originally posted by travestyny
            You’re a liar. You are the poster that said he diluted his sample by making his sample more concentrated.

            Don’t make me go find the posts. You are a complete moron. Don’t even write to me. You are brain dead. And if you write to me again, I’ll definitely go find that post and embarrass you.
            Go and find them ******, this will be funny, stop sucking fluids knob

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            • Shape up
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              #166
              Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
              What temperature does steel melt at? Who cares. USADA stated:

              "The DCO was also in the home when the paramedic was called and remained in the home while the paramedic provided the IV.”

              WADA code simply requires a TUE. Doesn't require that the paramedic take an uber while wearing boat shoes.


              WHEN IS A TUE NOT REQUIRED FOR AN IV INFUSION?

              If the athlete has an acute medical condition where an IV line was essential for treatment in a hospital admission, surgical procedure, or clinical investigation. Examples would be a severely dehydrated athlete with signs of circulatory compromise and the need for an IV line during a surgical procedure.
              Clinical investigations to diagnosis medical conditions, such a medical imaging, may also require IV administration of non-prohibited medicine which is permitted.
              In emergency circumstances, IVs may also be given by paramedical staff or physicians on the field of play, but an emergency TUE application is required as soon as reasonably possible after treatment has been received. Examples may include a semi- or unconscious athlete, an athlete who cannot tolerate oral fluids, or treatment of an acute injury.
              IV infusions during home visits, urgent care or after-hours clinics, boutique IV and rehydration services, and doctor’s office visits are not hospital admissions and would require an approved TUE in advance.------------------- not as simple as just getting a TUE, he was at home, it wasn't an emergency, the TUE should have been in advance, nothing about fluids TUE was done via WADA protocol, because fluid paid usada, most of the wada protocol was dismissed in the fight contract and fluid wasn't a signatory to wad and, it was a PR stunt

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                #167
                Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
                What temperature does steel melt at? Who cares. USADA stated:

                "The DCO was also in the home when the paramedic was called and remained in the home while the paramedic provided the IV.”

                WADA code simply requires a TUE. Doesn't require that the paramedic take an uber while wearing boat shoes.
                prove there was an ambulance there.. you cant.

                because it wasn't.

                like i said im not picking side because Pacquiao is shady too.

                but this IV story stinks. and Floyd is covered in sht.

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                  #168
                  Originally posted by Shape up
                  WHEN IS A TUE NOT REQUIRED FOR AN IV INFUSION?
                  He got a TUE.

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                    #169
                    Originally posted by Illmatic94
                    prove there was an ambulance there.. you cant.
                    Prove the paramedic was wearing red socks. You can't. Who cares? USADA witnessed everything. USADA's TUE committee approved the application, having no idea who was applying. Floyd gave a sample before and after the IV and was under USADA supervision the entire day.

                    The "controversy" is imaginary. Nobody official or involved says Floyd did anything wrong. Much ado about nothing.

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                      #170
                      Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
                      tue is the exemption. youre not making any sense. dont need an exemption to ask for an exemption.
                      Forgive me. English isn't my first language and maybe I wasn't super concentrated.

                      if the doctors and usada are so corrupt, why do we know about any of this? why did floyd call usada about the iv? why did he even need an exemption? why not keep the whole thing secret?
                      I never said they where corrupt at all. What I wanted to know is what the **** really happened. No need to go in full defensemode.

                      Can we agree on this:

                      1: Shortly after the weigh-in Floyd feels ill.
                      2: USADA sends medical representatives to examine the boxer
                      3: These medical representatives deem that Floyd suffers from dehydration
                      4: They approve of a large (yes large) IV drop
                      5: You claim they take urine samples before and after the IV which later comes out negative in doping test
                      6: They tell Floyd to ask for a TUE based on their medical examination, which is given by USADA some 3 weeks later.

                      Is that what we can agree on or do you have anything to add?


                      PS. Strange that you won't relate to this bit, but I guess its of course so selfevident to you that you skipped past it:

                      And if it doesn’t give the athlete any advantage is ridiculous. Of course it does. What would have happened if Floyd didn’t get the IV? Why is it illegal in several countries and in cycling in general to use IV? Don’t say you don’t know. Straight answers please.

                      Oh and the IV was massive.
                      So just let that bit rest.

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