how come wilders so highly rated all of a sudden?

[Madison Boxing]

I am shocked that you of all people will comment about someone not being fully knocked out when you idol (A juicing J) is the one who has probably the most amount of FALSE stoppages. Should I really start? Every objective person can tell very clearly that your guy has had the help of referees in almost all of his fights. Even his 'signature' fight against Wlad was a false stoppage. So, don't start. I could spend time responding to each guy you referenced but you know what the facts truly are.

I will respond to just one of them - Ortiz was on his knee because the referee supported him as he was falling. There are camera angles that show that Ortiz hit the referee on his way down - if not, he would have looked even more awful. Check it out for yourself and let me know what you see.

If by your own statement, Wilder has power, speed and ring IQ, are they not requisites for winning a boxing match? Add to that his reach, height, athleticism, etc.

For all the flack that Wilder takes on here, AJ will not be the same fighter if he was 6'3" in height with a 78" reach. You use what God gave you and whatever skill or training you pick along the way.

FACT: In 40 fights, Wilder has 39 finishes. You can twist them all you like, but that's what his record says. Your idol has 20 or 21 finishes - no matter how much I want to point at the fake stoppages he has received.

Lastly, who said you need to be a good body puncher to win matches? The Klitschko brothers (especially the older) rarely punched the body but were considered some of the best ever.

absolute nonsense ^

[asotgod123]

why would it be unreasonable to pick parker against 40 year old ortiz? whats ortiz actually done? and dont tell me its the eye test cause my eyes tell me he was visibly slowing down even before he fought wilder

Because Parker has become too defensive of a fighter since the Andy Ruiz fight. He does not throw enough to win matches. Further, Ortiz carries more power and is a better counterpuncher than Parker. If we took a poll objectively, my guess is that more than 50% will favor Ortiz over Parker. So, anyone can pick anyone but one's pick does not dictate who wins.

Using your own analogy, the eye test for most including betters will be that AJ should be favored over Wilder. If you ask them why - the reasons are usually one of the following:

1. He beat Wlad and got up from the floor
2. He is more technical
3. He is better built and weighs more.
4. He throws more combinations.
5. He is the Olympic Gold medalist.

But when I look at the match up skill for skill and add in the intangibles, the chances of AJ winning in my opinion is less than 30%. Now, I know his delusional fans will argue and insult all they like. Does not matter.

[asotgod123]

absolute nonsense ^

What exactly is absolute nonsense? Answer just this one question: would AJ be equally successful if he was 6'3" in height and 78" in reach?

[asotgod123]

yeah apparantly his sloppy windmill punches, absolutely abysmal footwork and fact weve seen him outboxed over and over again is all an illusion. hes actually very skillful. muhammed ali v2.0

Was Wilder outboxed in the Stiverne 1 and 2 fight?

Was he outboxed in the Arreola fight?

Was he outboxed in the Duhaupas fight?

Was he outboxed in the Malik Scott fight?

Was he outboxed in the Spiltzka fight?

I could go on and on. Even the fights against Ortiz and Gerald Washington - Wilder won his fair share of rounds. In the Ortiz fight, he won rounds 2, 4, 5 and 6 in my opinion (with 2 being very close). Ortiz and Wilder rarely did anything in the 1st 4 rounds. Wilder clearly won rounds 5 and 6. Wilder also won round 9 in my opinion. So, where is this 'outboxed' concept coming from?

In the Gerald Washington fight, Wilder lost the 1st 3 rounds from little action. Not sure you can even call that outboxed. But I will give you that for your ego. So, he was outboxed the 1st 3 rounds, won the 4th, knocked Washington out in the 5th.

Or by most delusional AJ fans thought, Wilder lost the 1st 4 rounds and knocked Washington out in the 5th round. Thank God a boxing match is 12 rounds, not 4 rounds. Is it Wilder's fault they could not 'OUTBOX' him for 12 rounds? Lol...

If boxing were a 4 round fight and following the delusional logic of most AJ protectors, Wilder would be 37-3 with the most debatable fight being Spilzka, Washington and Ortiz. After all, Wilder has knocked out almost all his opponents under 4 rounds. But, who is to say that he wouldn't have pushed on the pedal faster to knock these 3 other guys out?

[asotgod123]

great post, sometimes I say that but I understand he does a lot of things well. sometimes I dumb myself down for these posters to avoid arguments.

It is sad what this site has turned to. No one is taking anything away from AJ in terms of his accomplishments. But he is not in anyway superior to Wilder. This is why most true Wilder fans want to see the fight. We back Wilder to KO him and are that confident. Wilder has the dog in him.

AJ has his own tools that have worked for him in 21 fights. Wilder has his that has worked for him in 40 fights. I'd really love to see the litany of excuses the AJ protectors will raise when A juicing J gets knocked out. I am almost certain the 1st one will be "Wilder was lucky - AJ was outboxing him and got caught."

Excuses - or as is said "Explanation of failure."

[LacedUp]

I don't think it's a case of anyone being a Wilder fan now. It's people watch what is going on and see the games AJ and Hearn are playing and are wondering why when most people feel AJ is the better fighter who should win easily.

No one serious denies AJ is running the show either. They are just saying since he is running the show he looks utterly silly when he tries to act like he is a no risk b side that can't get Wilder to fight him.

AJ is going to decide when the fight happens. if he continues to delay it then people are going to blame him. When he offers Wilder less than Parker even though he will generate more revenue, people look at that and question if AJ wants the fight. Some Brit fans and ex pros like Lennox Lewis are saying the same thing.

Guys like you, kafkod, and The Madison are for some reason trying to make it Wilder's fault.

Wilder wants to get paid more than he's worth.

That's the only bottleneck in this whole thing.

[LacedUp]

It is sad what this site has turned to. No one is taking anything away from AJ in terms of his accomplishments. But he is not in anyway superior to Wilder.

The irony flies straight over your head.

[LacedUp]

Was Wilder outboxed in the Stiverne 1 and 2 fight?

Was he outboxed in the Arreola fight?

Was he outboxed in the Duhaupas fight?

Was he outboxed in the Malik Scott fight?

Was he outboxed in the Spiltzka fight?

He was severely outboxed in the szpilka fight and many live observers had the fight dead even at the time of the KO.

Add Molina, Washington and Ortiz to the list.

[juggernaut666]

I am shocked that you of all people will comment about someone not being fully knocked out when you idol (A juicing J) is the one who has probably the most amount of FALSE stoppages. Should I really start? Every objective person can tell very clearly that your guy has had the help of referees in almost all of his fights. Even his 'signature' fight against Wlad was a false stoppage. So, don't start. I could spend time responding to each guy you referenced but you know what the facts truly are.

I will respond to just one of them - Ortiz was on his knee because the referee supported him as he was falling. There are camera angles that show that Ortiz hit the referee on his way down - if not, he would have looked even more awful. Check it out for yourself and let me know what you see.

If by your own statement, Wilder has power, speed and ring IQ, are they not requisites for winning a boxing match? Add to that his reach, height, athleticism, etc.

For all the flack that Wilder takes on here, AJ will not be the same fighter if he was 6'3" in height with a 78" reach. You use what God gave you and whatever skill or training you pick along the way.

FACT: In 40 fights, Wilder has 39 finishes. You can twist them all you like, but that's what his record says. Your idol has 20 or 21 finishes - no matter how much I want to point at the fake stoppages he has received.

Lastly, who said you need to be a good body puncher to win matches? The Klitschko brothers (especially the older) rarely punched the body but were considered some of the best ever.

You arent going to last long at all on here ......lol

1. You stated an outlandish claim that Wilder was the best K.O artist in history . It was proved wrong bc i listed ALL his top stoppages and he only had 2 real K.O s and its still arguable that Joshua has the better K.O over younger Whyte than Ortiz whos reportedly 48 and who certainly ranks over Szpilka! Joshua has also knocked out Breazeale a PROVEN chin .....did the ref save him too ? lol

2 . You then claimed Wilder has more skill ? Not even most Wilder fans would agree to that ...put a poll up and see how it goes ? lol


Your a welcome addition to the crackhead fan boy Wilder club ! Keep in mind also Joshua stopped the SAME opponents FASTER then he did with better punches !

Its pointless responding to this as your here to ignore facts and cheerlead like the rest of you lott ! .........

[Laligalaliga]

This is just ****** dramashow. We know AJ can make money fighting bums in England.

He is better than Wilder and should beat him without issue. I know you desperately want him to remain undefeated. If he doesn't fight Wilder he's a f@g.

you sound so ****** like the contract is on AJ's table.
Get your facts right you dumb ass.