Comments Thread For: Hamed: Usyk Gives Joshua a Run For His Money, Wilder Too!

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You don't have to be 6'5" 250 to win! Tyson, Roy Jones Jr., and Holyfield have proven that! Skills pay the bills!

Stop right there ! Tyson had more power than skills. Holyfield was beast and most likely was juicing . Roy Jones fought one of the worst haveyweights ever

[Boxingfanatic75]

You overrate Wilder and the level of his competition. Usyk right now would beat any of Wilders opponents. Wilder power also overrated beating bums.

Wilder stopped most of his opponents while they were still in their fight, Pbc stoppages like vs Washington are fake knockouts. Fixed fights like vs Malik Scott are a disgrace. Did you see that obvious dive? Even the crowd laughed .

Just stop please before you make yourself sound even more ignorant than you are

[Boxingfanatic75]

Gassiev is a power puncher and caught Usyk multiple times. I dont remember him being hurt bad. He doesnt look like a power puncher, but his punch output will start to take effect if he is continuously peppering his opponents with shots. I believe Tyson Fury has a similar KO percentage to Usyk and he hasnt exactly fared badly himself.

Fury was good when he was in his prime and that was as a prospect when you’re expected to take out your trash and stay in shape. I just don’t believe Fury has been at that point since and never will get back there. I get there are fans out there that wishes he did (not you necessarily) but that was like me wishing Tyson would be the Tyson of old and get rid of Don King and bring back Rooney. Just not gonna happen

[asotgod123]

I agree with this. Usyk is miles ahead of both as a boxer. One of them just happens to have a true fight ending punch and it comes from really weird places at times. AJ is just a lot more predictable. But both have solid power at HW and Usyk would be in trouble if either caught him.

I think Wilder does not get enough credit for his skills and his ability to think in there. Usyk is 6' 3'' and 78 inches. He will have to come towards Wilder. Ortiz was 6'4" and 78 and had difficulty hitting Wilder - seems most people chose to ignore that. The 1st 4 rounds in the Wilder-Ortiz was little to no action. Wilder has a way of keeping people outside using his stance, feet and length.

Further, Usyk's pitty-patty punches will open him up to one fight ending shot and that's all she wrote. Usyk is not faster than Wilder. He is miles more technical. However, he has no power, he is going to be shorter - so Wilder will touch him before he touches Wilder. I just don't see how he wins.

Even the match against Joe Joyce, I thought that match was even. Joe may even have won if he had some semblance of head movement. He just walked in with his head up.

Usyk is a great fighter but I don't see anyway he wins against Wilder, even also against AJ. Wilder does not mind losing rounds to calibrate, and then all the haters will say the same thing - "Oh... Wilder was losing the match and being outboxed. All he had is that right hand. No technique..." The haters will keep on explaining failure for a long time, until they admit what can be seen - Wilder really thinks in there.

[juggernaut666]

You overrate Wilder and the level of his competition. Usyk right now would beat any of Wilders opponents. Wilder power also overrated beating bums.

Wilder stopped most of his opponents while they were still in their fight, Pbc stoppages like vs Washington are fake knockouts. Fixed fights like vs Malik Scott are a disgrace. Did you see that obvious dive? Even the crowd laughed .

Usyk isnt fighting Wilder opponents , he would be fighting Wilder .

I dont think you know what overated means and how you came to that conclusion with a hyped up CW ( i told you the FORUM were going to make him Superman ) vs a HW knock out puncher at the HW level who is also limited but in skill not power where he will be more effective then Usyk at 6'7 .

[asotgod123]

Believe it or not every individual feels their own points are more valid than the next. Every idea is nonsense if it doesn’t resonate with your belief system. It’s not that what you said was right or wrong but out of all the heavyweights Wilder in all his fights struggles regardless of the Calibre of opponent. He wins his fights by his devastating power. Rarely will you see a boxing Clinic.

Usyk if it’s any heavyweight is closest to Wilders weight. He matches him in Speed and Athleticism he has a better punch selection than Wilder, definitely trumps him in workrate, ring IQ and just about every stat baring Power. Wilder has very poor balance and Usyk being a Southpaw definitely helps him against Wilder. Again I’m under no illusion Wilder is capable of knocking him out inside around but to suggest every heavyweight struggles baring Wilder is not nonsense but the first thought came to my head was that they must be related. Probably a poor executed joke on my part but i was not offended by your words and assessment and didn’t feel compelled to address it , I just said a poor joke

Don't know in what world Usyk is as athletic as Wilder.... just saying. He is not as fast as Wilder too. Wilder is faster, more athletic, longer, taller, more power.

Usyk is miles more technical, better lateral movement, better head movement.

On work rate, he does not have a better one than Wilder. Look at his punch stats and compare to how many punches Wilder throws per round. Wilder is one of the most active heavyweights, probably 2nd or 3rd to Miller and AJ. I think Miller is #1.

How also do you define ring IQ? Wilder gets the job done all the time - same as Usyk. Wilder probably faster most times.

[juggernaut666]

Now let’s not let our biases get in the way here AJ’s signature win against a VERY inactive 41 yo HW who was coming off a loss to a jelly roll, all you can eat buffet tub of lard fat a$$ clown car show. Nothing against AJ it is as it is but let’s not pretend that Klitschko wasn’t 4 years outside his prime as well

41 year old Klitchko the one who fought Joshua , flattens Wilder !

How about 48 year old Ortiz having the bell save Wilder doe ?


Want to talk about that ?

[Boxingfanatic75]

41 year old Klitchko the one who fought Joshua , flattens Wilder !

How about 48 year old Ortiz having the bell save Wilder doe ?


Want to talk about that ?

Sure let’s chat about it

1) Popular to contrary belief Ortiz is younger than Klitschko. He is 39. Go look it up I don’t have the time to educate you (hint: I did months ago)

2) Klitschko has been fighting journeymen circuit fighters for years yet if you take the dear Lord AJ name in vain over his prized wheel chair win look out here comes the wrath of almighty God!

3) Wilder was hurt and stunned, AJ was flattened and gassed by a 41 fighter past his prime

4) False: Klitschko hasn’t knocked out anyone of substance for a number of years and he wouldn’t knock out Wilder so i’ll Stop you right there

5) Ortiz THE 39 YEAR OLD (yes we are back to that) was and is avoided like the plague by ANYONE in the top 10. Those are facts

[Butch.McRae]

I think Wilder does not get enough credit for his skills and his ability to think in there. Usyk is 6' 3'' and 78 inches. He will have to come towards Wilder. Ortiz was 6'4" and 78 and had difficulty hitting Wilder - seems most people chose to ignore that. The 1st 4 rounds in the Wilder-Ortiz was little to no action. Wilder has a way of keeping people outside using his stance, feet and length.

Further, Usyk's pitty-patty punches will open him up to one fight ending shot and that's all she wrote. Usyk is not faster than Wilder. He is miles more technical. However, he has no power, he is going to be shorter - so Wilder will touch him before he touches Wilder. I just don't see how he wins.

Even the match against Joe Joyce, I thought that match was even. Joe may even have won if he had some semblance of head movement. He just walked in with his head up.

Usyk is a great fighter but I don't see anyway he wins against Wilder, even also against AJ. Wilder does not mind losing rounds to calibrate, and then all the haters will say the same thing - "Oh... Wilder was losing the match and being outboxed. All he had is that right hand. No technique..." The haters will keep on explaining failure for a long time, until they admit what can be seen - Wilder really thinks in there.

Anybody who says Wilder doesn't have skills isn't watching the fights lol I just think his mind fails him a lot in the ring due to emotion or something. He "falls asleep" a lot in the middle of rounds and takes shots he shouldn't. However, when he snaps out of it, he'll throw a shot that HWs aren't supposed to be able to do in today's era. (Prime example is the counter right off the back foot, that came in response to Ortiz's triple jab to put it away)

That's why he's dangerous. You can't figure out when the shots will come. It's almost like he's in the middle of a round and then a lightbulb goes off to do the thing Breland taught him lol he's a very strange case study imo.

[juggernaut666]

Fury was good when he was in his prime and that was as a prospect when you’re expected to take out your trash and stay in shape. I just don’t believe Fury has been at that point since and never will get back there. I get there are fans out there that wishes he did (not you necessarily) but that was like me wishing Tyson would be the Tyson of old and get rid of Don King and bring back Rooney. Just not gonna happen

This post doesnt apply to a 6'9 outside style like Fury .

M. Tyson style was based on counter puncher / defense first which set upthose vicious combos bc it wirked with speed and timing .

M. Tyson needed to be on point at 5'10 .

Fury at 6'9 ? Nope .


Fury abilities is just based on actual shape bc he keeps distance so expect Fury to come back as he was at some point .