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  • Noelanthony
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    #71
    Originally posted by allen23
    not offended just find it hard listening to nonsense arguments is all
    Believe it or not every individual feels their own points are more valid than the next. Every idea is nonsense if it doesn’t resonate with your belief system. It’s not that what you said was right or wrong but out of all the heavyweights Wilder in all his fights struggles regardless of the Calibre of opponent. He wins his fights by his devastating power. Rarely will you see a boxing Clinic.

    Usyk if it’s any heavyweight is closest to Wilders weight. He matches him in Speed and Athleticism he has a better punch selection than Wilder, definitely trumps him in workrate, ring IQ and just about every stat baring Power. Wilder has very poor balance and Usyk being a Southpaw definitely helps him against Wilder. Again I’m under no illusion Wilder is capable of knocking him out inside around but to suggest every heavyweight struggles baring Wilder is not nonsense but the first thought came to my head was that they must be related. Probably a poor executed joke on my part but i was not offended by your words and assessment and didn’t feel compelled to address it , I just said a poor joke

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    • Muz
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      #72
      I've been saying it for the last year, that Usyk is the future of the heavyweight division and will unify the belts.

      Usyk badly outclasses Wilder. Problem is getting Wilder to fight. He is more protected than the holy grail.

      Joshua is a tough fight but Usyk can outbox him if he isn't mauled inside.

      Fury is the biggest obstacle. Fury would be favored to beat Usyk

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      • Noelanthony
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        #73
        Originally posted by rudy
        Was not Tyson Fury dropped by a feather fisted Steve Cunningham who was never a puncher so that talk is invalid
        Not a fan of fury but he still went on to stop Cunningham. Look at Khan vs Canelo or anyone for that matter . If he can not get hit he wins . However the moment he gets hit it’s goodnight Vienna. I’m backing Joshua to smash Wilder to smithereens but I know if Wilder touches that Chin I hit the canvas too because I would have lost a lot of money

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        • allen23
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          #74
          Originally posted by Noelanthony
          Believe it or not every individual feels their own points are more valid than the next. Every idea is nonsense if it doesn’t resonate with your belief system. It’s not that what you said was right or wrong but out of all the heavyweights Wilder in all his fights struggles regardless of the Calibre of opponent. He wins his fights by his devastating power. Rarely will you see a boxing Clinic.

          Usyk if it’s any heavyweight is closest to Wilders weight. He matches him in Speed and Athleticism he has a better punch selection than Wilder, definitely trumps him in workrate, ring IQ and just about every stat baring Power. Wilder has very poor balance and Usyk being a Southpaw definitely helps him against Wilder. Again I’m under no illusion Wilder is capable of knocking him out inside around but to suggest every heavyweight struggles baring Wilder is not nonsense but the first thought came to my head was that they must be related. Probably a poor executed joke on my part but i was not offended by your words and assessment and didn’t feel compelled to address it , I just said a poor joke
          Usyk has a lot of qualities over wilder granted but athleticism is not one of them..then again u can gauge usyk's qualities up against any heavyweight and he will come out on top but there are other variables to fighting that cant be measured.

          My point being that apart from a fit again fury wilder will have a better chance of beating usyk than the other top heavyweights due to his power and athleticism regardless of how well usyk moves. if u disagree then thats fine but until someone negates Wilders power then I have no reason to believe anything other than that fight ending in a KO for Wilder

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            #75
            Originally posted by Muz
            I've been saying it for the last year, that Usyk is the future of the heavyweight division and will unify the belts.

            Usyk badly outclasses Wilder. Problem is getting Wilder to fight. He is more protected than the holy grail.

            Joshua is a tough fight but Usyk can outbox him if he isn't mauled inside.

            Fury is the biggest obstacle. Fury would be favored to beat Usyk
            Hhhmmm no surprises in your prediction. Everything seems to be good with you. I was worried I hadn’t heard from you in a while. Good to see you in good spirits

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              #76
              Originally posted by allen23
              Usyk has a lot of qualities over wilder granted but athleticism is not one of them..then again u can gauge usyk's qualities up against any heavyweight and he will come out on top but there are other variables to fighting that cant be measured.

              My point being that apart from a fit again fury wilder will have a better chance of beating usyk than the other top heavyweights due to his power and athleticism regardless of how well usyk moves. if u disagree then thats fine but until someone negates Wilders power then I have no reason to believe anything other than that fight ending in a KO for Wilder
              True.......

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              • LetOutTheCage
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                #77
                Originally posted by Boxingfanatic75
                Was the meant to be demeaning? Sorry a little bit of facts get in the way of your argument but Usyk will not, could not and cannot take a HW punch. In addition the guy has minimal power in his current division. A HW will laugh as he tap dances and wait for him to close the distance then lights out.
                How do you know he cant take a heavyweight punch? Also he has over 70% ko's so far so I dont think you can call his power minimal

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by juggernaut666
                  Wilder can and HAS been outboxed so Usyk could do it but he gets knocked out in all likelyhood at some point bc Wilder wont be worrying about anything hard coming back at him and has now fought a few southpaws .


                  Usyk wont do anything to Joshua .
                  You overrate Wilder and the level of his competition. Usyk right now would beat any of Wilders opponents. Wilder power also overrated beating bums.

                  Wilder stopped most of his opponents while they were still in their fight, Pbc stoppages like vs Washington are fake knockouts. Fixed fights like vs Malik Scott are a disgrace. Did you see that obvious dive? Even the crowd laughed .

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by LetOutTheCage
                    How do you know he cant take a heavyweight punch? Also he has over 70% ko's so far so I dont think you can call his power minimal
                    His last fight he got hurt BAD by a minimal skilled boxer at best. He has had 11 fights where his first 9 were KO. Since he has had to step up his competition the KOs aren’t coming as easily as when he was a pro noob. Therefore based on that he isn’t a power puncher in his own division and we believe that’ll translate over to HW where the power is worlds larger? Nah

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                    • LetOutTheCage
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Boxingfanatic75
                      His last fight he got hurt BAD by a minimal skilled boxer at best. He has had 11 fights where his first 9 were KO. Since he has had to step up his competition the KOs aren’t coming as easily as when he was a pro noob. Therefore based on that he isn’t a power puncher in his own division and we believe that’ll translate over to HW where the power is worlds larger? Nah
                      Gassiev is a power puncher and caught Usyk multiple times. I dont remember him being hurt bad. He doesnt look like a power puncher, but his punch output will start to take effect if he is continuously peppering his opponents with shots. I believe Tyson Fury has a similar KO percentage to Usyk and he hasnt exactly fared badly himself.

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