Comments Thread For: Wilder: Eddie Hearn is Not a Guy That You Can Trust

[Abovetheclouds]

Earn with Hearn

[LacedUp]

Boxing should also be about fans, honor, dignity, legacy, pride, patriotism and prestige. These accolades shall last forever and will a follow a fighter to his grave; Even unto death. While money would not.

Only a delusional fanboy would say these things resemble Wilder more than Joshua

[Ray*]

It will be interesting to see if he signs the contract, and if his fans defend it if he doesn't.

Life changing money and a chance at glory and everything AJ has single-handedly built. This could be the biggest amount of money a B-side has turned down in comparison to what they usually make, to fight the #1 in the division and become the undisputed.

I really hope he doesn't turn 15m down, I personally don't think he deserves that much to be honest. But if he has been offered it then maybe Team Joshua are desperate for that last belt. But my hope and belief is the fight is already done, But if it is indeed that they are NOT in cahoot and Wilder turn down 15m then i don't really want to hear his crybabies on here in regards to % or flat fees.

[Noelanthony]

It's more to boxing than just money. By the time Anthony Joshua retires all that money will be gone anyhow.

Boxing should also be about fans, honor, dignity, legacy, pride, patriotism and prestige. These accolades shall last forever and will a follow a fighter to his grave; Even unto death. While money would not.

So that is what Wilder is fighting for; He wants to be the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world while the other guy only cares about and is fighting for money. He doesn't give a good damn about the things I've mentioned above but only himself.

Why would you make such a statement? Is that your wish or you honestly believe that. I’m not going to come on here and brag about a next man’s achievements because they are not mine but think about how much he earns per fight think about the 13 commercial partners he has and think if you have ever seen Joshua in anything but a plain tracksuit. Then Compare that to Deontay and what he makes and the chinchilla coats( which are cool I must add) he rocks the bling etc. Who is likely to go broke first? In any case such thoughts shouldn’t be consuming a fans mind. I’m a Joshua fan but I support Wilder and baring this fight I want him to be successful. There is one fighter that have made giant strides to become undisputed and his name is not Deontay. Deontay has never in his life been in a unification so how can you say it’s his destiny to become undisputed. Oh now Joshua has collected the belts now with one meaningful fight he will become undisputed. What power moves did he accomplish to put himself in a position to fight for the belts? He fought Ortiz and nearly got knocked out. Let’s try and not get too involved with our fighters. You are usually a good poster when all that emotion is not involved

[mafia2007]

I read the back and forth on here but the truth of the matter is below that no-one from etiher side can deny.

1st Ethan Cox, wasn't ranked
2nd Shannon Gray, wasn't ranked
3rd Richard Greene Jr, wasn't ranked
4th Joseph Rabotte, ranked 393rd in the World
5th Charles Brown, wasn't ranked
6th Kelsey Arnold, wasn't ranked
7th Travis Allen, wasn't ranked
8th Jerry Vaughn, wasn't ranked
9th Ty Cobb, ranked 399th in the Heavyweight World
10th Alvaro Morales, wasn't ranked
11th Dustin Nichols, wasn't ranked
12th Shannon Caudle, wasn't ranked
13th Harold Sconiers, wasn't ranked
14th Dan Sheehan, wasn't ranked
15th DeAndrey Abron, wasn't ranked
16th Reggie Pena, wasn't ranked
17th Damon Reed, ranked 304th in the World
18th Dominique Alexander, wasn't ranked
19th Daniel Cota, ranked 489th in the World
20th David Long, wasn't ranked
21st Marlon Hayes, ranked 368th in the World
22nd Jesse Oltmanns, ranked 492th in the World
23rd Owen Beck, wasn't ranked
24th Kertson Manswell, ranked 310th in the World
25th Damon McCreary, ranked 357th in the World
26th Kelvin Price, wasn't ranked
27th Matthew Greer, ranked 325th in the World
28th Audley Harrison, ranked 136th in the World ☆☆☆
29th Siarhei Liakhovich, ranked 43rd in the World, Siarhei Liakhovich was a blown up, washed up way past his Prime Cruiserweight.☆☆☆
30th Nicolai Firtha, ranked 121nd in the World
31st Malik Scott, ranked 86th in the World
32nd Jason Gavern, ranked 194th in the World
33rd Bermane Stiverne, ranked 4th in the World (Although was only that false ranking due to an Arreola win, a free title and never beat a top 30 opponent)
34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World
35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World
36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World
37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World
38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World
39th Bermane Stiverne "UNRANKED"
40th Luis Ortiz - 48 years old

try and justify that and tell me who is the one avoiding true challanges and using excuses, AJ said in a Sky sports interview he looked at the contract and the points he mentioned, made changes (not Hearn) signed it and sent it with the date and venue and possibly the rematch issues.

Wilder has this right now is again talking about dates and venues when this is all in the new one sent over. AJ said he has this till Jan and is willing to look at anything else he wants to discuss.

[Stinger1]

Can all u AJ fans please tell me why after confirming he would fight wilder for 50million and then back ed out o0nce thye offer was officially put on the table??

u all seem to give out about wilder not signing an unfair contract yet dismiss the fact that joshua was unwilling to sign the contract he asked for...

Don't be so naive and swallow all of Wilder's B.S. It was a publicity stunt. Why when Eddie asked for a contract did they refuse? Apparently according to a few on here it takes time and money to draft a contract and isn't the way "business is done". But that excuse is laughable, it would take a week and probably $10,000 max for lawyers to draft a contract. Not that much in the grand schemes of things is it?

Why is Wilder worried so much about the split of the first fight? If he wins like he says he will he'll get his $100m US fight where he would get 50/50. Actually it would probably be more like $120m for a rematch. So that's $60m for Wilder. So why worry about haggling for an extra few mil in the first fight when you'll make $75m over 2 fights?

I'll tell you why, he knows he's going to LOSE so they'll get a few more paydays against his substandard opposition before cashing in on the AJ fight and retiring.

[fullers]

That's no contract you can sign.
Eddie hearn s contract with no date or venue. Can you imagine if someone had offered him and aj that. You'd never hear the end of it

[Bronx2245]

Remain strong Mr. Wilder! The heat will turn up on AJ! The only question he's going to hear from the press is "When are you going to fight Deontay Wilder!" They're not asking about Povetkin, nor Miller, nor Whyte, etc.! Go fight Brezeale, and then fight Fury! All the pressure will be on Joshua! Fat Dan saw this coming months ago:

April 16, 2018:

The games being played and why it means Joshua-Wilder won't be next

If Joshua (21-0, 20 KOs) wants the fight with Wilder (40-0, 39 KOs) next, it sure doesn't seem that way, regardless of what he says. It's clear in the offer Joshua's promoter, Matchroom Boxing's Eddie Hearn, recently made to the Wilder camp: a flat fee of $12.5 million, take it or leave it, for Wilder's participation in the fight.

Of course, $12.5 million large is giant money for most people, but for a fight of this magnitude, it is not a serious offer. If Wilder's team -- managers Al Haymon, Shelly Finkel and Jay Deas and promoter Lou DiBella -- accepted the deal, they would be committing malpractice on behalf of their client.

For Team Joshua to take Wilder as a $12.5 million expense without cutting him in for a large percentage of an event that could generate in the high eight figures is a joke. When Joshua faced Joseph Parker to unify their three belts last month, the Parker camp got one-third of the money in the event. Wilder is worth more than that, obviously; he brings the last piece of the undisputed title to the table, he brings a bigger fan base and, on his own, he generates more money than Parker does.

If Parker is worth a third, Wilder is easily worth at least that much and probably even a few more points. His side has stated it knows it's not getting 50-50 and hasn't asked for it, but to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing.

A little history lesson: When we were bogged down in the will-they-or-won't-they nonsense of the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao saga, Mayweather at one point offered Pacquiao a flat fee of $40 million. That's monster money, but not in the context of that event. Pacquiao rightfully said no. When the fight was finally made, Pacquiao got 40 percent of the pie and earned well over $100 million.

Joshua-Wilder is the exact same situation but for less money. Wilder and his team would be foolish to accept such a laughable offer, and Joshua's camp knows it -- which is why, at this point, all talk the of Joshua-Wilder being next is nothing more than a game boxing fans are not interested in playing.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...ean-fight-next

[Rubber Ducky]

You shouldn't trust any promoter, but that's what contracts are for, to set out in stone the deal, so both sides are sure of what will happen.

Sick of Wilder's excuses now, it's getting tedious.

Excuse 1 - No date and venue

Excuse 2 - Can't fight in April 2019 only in late 2018

Excuse 3 - the 15 million I agreed to isn't enough, want 50/50

Excuse 4 - Can't trust Eddie Hearn

Well if he can't trust Hearn then I guess he's saying he can never fight Joshua with Hearn as his promoter. If that's the case we can forget about this fight happening and Wilder should stop talking about Joshua, on the hour, every hour of every waking moment because it's never happening.

[mafia2007]

A little history lesson

What you seem to over look is Mayweather and Pacquiao were both making HUGE amounts in their own rights prior to making this fight and had fought the best, Wilder is not so why would he deserve to suddenly make $30 million.

does this record justify that

1st Ethan Cox, wasn't ranked
2nd Shannon Gray, wasn't ranked
3rd Richard Greene Jr, wasn't ranked
4th Joseph Rabotte, ranked 393rd in the World
5th Charles Brown, wasn't ranked
6th Kelsey Arnold, wasn't ranked
7th Travis Allen, wasn't ranked
8th Jerry Vaughn, wasn't ranked
9th Ty Cobb, ranked 399th in the Heavyweight World
10th Alvaro Morales, wasn't ranked
11th Dustin Nichols, wasn't ranked
12th Shannon Caudle, wasn't ranked
13th Harold Sconiers, wasn't ranked
14th Dan Sheehan, wasn't ranked
15th DeAndrey Abron, wasn't ranked
16th Reggie Pena, wasn't ranked
17th Damon Reed, ranked 304th in the World
18th Dominique Alexander, wasn't ranked
19th Daniel Cota, ranked 489th in the World
20th David Long, wasn't ranked
21st Marlon Hayes, ranked 368th in the World
22nd Jesse Oltmanns, ranked 492th in the World
23rd Owen Beck, wasn't ranked
24th Kertson Manswell, ranked 310th in the World
25th Damon McCreary, ranked 357th in the World
26th Kelvin Price, wasn't ranked
27th Matthew Greer, ranked 325th in the World
28th Audley Harrison, ranked 136th in the World ☆☆☆
29th Siarhei Liakhovich, ranked 43rd in the World, Siarhei Liakhovich was a blown up, washed up way past his Prime Cruiserweight.☆☆☆
30th Nicolai Firtha, ranked 121nd in the World
31st Malik Scott, ranked 86th in the World
32nd Jason Gavern, ranked 194th in the World
33rd Bermane Stiverne, ranked 4th in the World (Although was only that false ranking due to an Arreola win, a free title and never beat a top 30 opponent)
34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World
35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World
36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World
37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World
38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World
39th Bermane Stiverne "UNRANKED"
40th Luis Ortiz - 48 years old

I would also add what was Pacquiaos highest ever purse prior to fighting Mayweather?? vs how much he made that night?

I would guess maybe 3 or 4 times his highest purse but Wilder wants 10x and AJ only gets maybe 2x. Tell me how that is fair?

I do think though that boxing is losing its core with all this money talk, 60%/40% to AJ is fair or a flat $20million and just get the fight signed.