If Anthony Joshua...

[lolasif]

Sure, if Ibragimov just finished mopping the floor with one of the longest reigning heavweight champions in history, Wlad finished undisputed heavyweight champion with 50+ wins and didn't get TKOed by ****ing Russ Purrity maybe he'd have a case.

Talk about apples and oranges.

It's quite simple. Assuming that one of the 3 beats the other 2, or even assuming someone else comes along and beats all 3 to become undisputed, none of them have done enough to become the sole reason to give the victor ATG status.

Klitschko is an ATG because he kept defended successfully for 9 years, handing over half of his opponents either their first or 2nd defeat. It's no insult to suggest that they need to do more to gain similar status, just a reflection of how weak the division is right now.

[champion4ever]

If Anthony Joshua beats both Wilder and Fury, will you then recognize him as one of the greatest of all time?

Of his time I will say the answer is yes; Of all time no. One have to factor the era in which he was competing in order to make that assumption and it is not a very strong era.

[sunny31]

It's quite simple. Assuming that one of the 3 beats the other 2, or even assuming someone else comes along and beats all 3 to become undisputed, none of them have done enough to become the sole reason to give the victor ATG status.

Klitschko is an ATG because he kept defended successfully for 9 years, handing over half of his opponents either their first or 2nd defeat. It's no insult to suggest that they need to do more to gain similar status, just a reflection of how weak the division is right now.

Whilst I agree with most of what you say, the division is actually the strongest it's been for quite a few years. The Klitschko era was not this strong in general.

I'm not saying it's a strong era historically but it is better than it was.

[Deontaytheking]

To beat them he has to be willing to fight them.

[boliodogs]

No. Not me. Not even close. I consider all 3 of them average champions in an average weight class. One average champion beating the other 2 average champions does not make him one of the greatest of all time. A prime Foreman, Ali, Liston, Wlad, Vitali ,Holyfield, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis and a few other past heavyweight champions would beat all 3 of them in my opinion.

[boliodogs]

Nope. Wilder beating both Fury and Joshua and finishing his career undefeated with the highest ko percentage in history after 50-60 fights would make him an ATG.

Wlad is already considered an ATG by most with more good than great wins and some devastating and humiliating defeats. I don't see why the bar should be set higher for Wilder.

Going undefeated for 60 fights in today's norm of fighting twice a year would take him about 20 years. He would not only be great, he would also be about 48 years old.

[KingHippo]

It's quite simple. Assuming that one of the 3 beats the other 2, or even assuming someone else comes along and beats all 3 to become undisputed, none of them have done enough to become the sole reason to give the victor ATG status.

Klitschko is an ATG because he kept defended successfully for 9 years, handing over half of his opponents either their first or 2nd defeat. It's no insult to suggest that they need to do more to gain similar status, just a reflection of how weak the division is right now.

And I clearly stated that Wilder would have to have a 50+ undefeated record and maintain an historic KO percentage to be considered an ATG. And even that part is up for contention.

By beating Joshua and Fury, he would give them both their first or second defeats and if he fights at a rate of 2 fights per year, he'll be nearing a 9 year, 5 undisputed, reign over the division by the time he reaches 50 wins. And I'm sure he can squeeze a few Eddie Chambers level first/second loss wins during that time frame.

There is absolutely no rationale for him not being considered an ATG by that point.

[4truth]

Lets see him beat the best available (because that's all any fighter can do) over a period of years.

[McNulty]

If Anthony Joshua beats both Wilder and Fury, will you then recognize him as one of the greatest of all time?

And another malfunctioning cheerleader getting put into Cold Storage. And an ALT cheerleader at that! Welcome to your new home on the ignore list!

[Scipio2009]

Would depend on how he won the fights, and how the rest of the title run would go.

He'd be at least 8/9 defenses into his title run, with no one else really having the tools to compete.

If Joshua goes on to have a dominant reign as undisputed heavyweight champion, he may just end up being a GOAT.