Whos doing a better job making stars pbc or top rank

[KTFOKING]

"Isn't with Haymon" can mean a million things. Haymon has a variety of arrangements with fighters. Some fighters he totally controls, some fighters he gives advice when asked. WBSS dealt with Haymon when negotiating with those two fighters. If you don't believe me, that's cool. Maybe someone else will eventually report it, maybe not.




Why does anyone need anything?

So just because Prograis doesn't want to sign with PBC, it means Haymon's skills and expertise can't be helpful in other ways?

So it hasn't been reported or confirmed by anyone yet you are saying he helped negotiate their deals. That would imply you either work in the business or know folks close to Haymon or the fighters. I'd say Haymon in this case since you listed both Prograis and Relikh. Correct?

[N/A]

So it hasn't been reported or confirmed by anyone yet you are saying he helped negotiate their deals.

Correct, I am the one breaking the story.

That would imply you either work in the business or know folks close to Haymon or the fighters.

I've worked in the business for decades. In this instance, I was tipped off by somebody at WBSS.

[j0zef]

Not sure if this is a real question. PBC hasn't made a single star, while Top Rank has made several legends.

[jas]

promoters dont do ****, theyre overrated

the fighters do it

and its an unfair comparison because loma and crawford are better than the pbc fighters so that doesnt mean that top rank are better promoters

[killakali]

Crawford's filed purse was $1.75 million. So strange how all of you guys insist on only using Wilder's filed purse, but filed purses are ignored when it suits your argument.

it was already reported Crawford's purse was 3,000,000 besides his 1.75 filed purse. I have never gone by Wilder's or any other top guys filed purse. They are all low just like Pacquiao's for tax and sanctioning fee purposes and the time frame used to pay out the money. Wilder has made over 2 mil a fight before but hasn't touched that 3mill yet

[killakali]

Well yeah, because one fought on HBO and the other on SHO. And now one fights on ESPN....Though I doubt more people watched his last fight on ESPM+. Spence also just became a star recently. He was the hot prospect under the PBC banner, but after the Brook fight he officially arrived. I would be interested in seeing who does better numbers against similar foes on the same network. So lets say they both fight on HBO next, who does better? Crawford peaked at 1 million before, something Spence hasn't done yet on SHO even if you adjust it by subscribers as HBO has ~30% more% more.

We all know the fight on the app did less than Spence but let's not forget the Spence-Brook fight only did 291k viewers and this Ocampo fight was 683,000 for as long as it lasted.

As for the amount of subscribers I guess Spence isn't must see tv to the point people order showtime to watch his fights.

Crawford may be on channels with more subcribers but the subscriber doesn't have to watch Crawford or boxing for that matter. He is still getting them to watch him.

[killakali]

AL HAYMON'S WORLD CHAMPIONS

Deontay Wilder
Adonis Stevenson
Artur Beterbiev
David Benavidez
Jose Uzcategui
Jermall Charlo
Jermell Charlo
Jarrett Hurt
Keith Thurman
Errol Spence
Kiryl Relikh
Regis Prograis
Gervonta Davis
Gary Russell
Leo Santa Cruz
Carl Frampton


BOB ARUM'S WORLD CHAMPIONS

Oleksandr Gvozdyk
Gilberto Ramirez
Terence Crawford
Jose Ramirez
Vasyl Lomachenko
Raymundo Beltran
Oscar Valdez
Isaac Dogboe

You are fibbing again. Regis Prograis has nothing to do with Al Haymon. His managers are Peter Berg and Mark Walhberg http://www.toprank.com/all-events/prograisvelasco/

http://ucnlive.com/going-back-roots-odyssey-regis-rougarou-prograis/

For someone supposedly in the business you shouldn't post blatant lies. He has nothing to do with Haymon.

Beterbiev hasn't been with Haymon since before his last fight on the Top Rank card in November either so scratch him off your list too

Gvozdyk technically isn't a full champion but I guess you are counting interim champs too like Jermall Charlo

[killakali]

MAnnys on the app cause his fake ass promotion company could barely get their shlt together. There’s been zero promotion in America for the fight.

they have him on the app to drive subscribers now that it is too late for ppv

[chaosisme]

If you ask the average person, most people will have no clue who either guy is. Here is an example of what every day people think of Spence.

You're now watching two strangers discuss your question!
Question to discuss:
What do you think of Errol Spence?

Stranger 2: No condoms.

Stranger 2: Condoms are for the weak.

Stranger 1: i'm a dude

Stranger 2: And?

Stranger 1: ah

Stranger 1: just thought I put that out there

Stranger 1: people are creeps

Stranger 2 has disconnected


And I had to go through like 20 sets of people before I got that ******ed discussion.

Let's see how people feel about Crawford. 12 sets of people to get this gem:

You're now watching two strangers discuss your question!
Question to discuss:
What do you think of Terence Crawford?

Stranger 2: who?

Stranger 1: who

Stranger 2: ain't a crawford that lobster looking thing

Stranger 1 has disconnected.

No boxer in America should be considered a "star". Maybe Mayweather, that's about it.

[N/A]

For someone supposedly in the business you shouldn't post blatant lies. He has nothing to do with Haymon.

oh god. another idiot.

haymon assisted with the wbss negotiations. prograis is with churchill management but haymon advises plenty of fighters who have other managers.