Let be honest, Wilder would never get 15 Mil without fighting AJ!

[KTFOKING]

I think it actually does better in the US than an AJ vs Wilder fight in the UK simply because more US folks know who Fury is.

But yeah, 100M is probably real in Vegas an no where else.

Nah, don't see it doing better than the Joshua fight. It can be argued just how big Joshua is in the states, but the casuals will catch on to that fight more than the Fury one. Put Wilder/Joshua on First Take/Undisputed, all the NY/LA radio shows and watch it explode. And plus, it helps that both are undefeated with MONSTER KO ratios.

[koolkc107]

Nah, don't see it doing better than the Joshua fight. It can be argued just how big Joshua is in the states, but the casuals will catch on to that fight more than the Fury one. Put Wilder/Joshua on First Take/Undisputed, all the NY/LA radio shows and watch it explode. And plus, it helps that both are undefeated with MONSTER KO ratios.

That's just it.

AJ has almost no profile here. It needs massive PR, especially if it is the UK first. This, while Tyson will come here just as easy as he'd do Wembley.

By contrast, all you have to do is have Tyson show up to an NBA, NFL, or MLB game and start singing about how much he is gonna kick Wilder's ass and it will catch fire.

That's about all you'd need...

[GhostofDempsey]

Wilder couldn't earn $15M in his next seven fights, let alone just one. Not without A-side AJ.

[KTFOKING]

That's just it.

AJ has almost no profile here. It needs massive PR, especially if it is the UK first. This, while Tyson will come here just as easy as he'd do Wembley.

By contrast, all you have to do is have Tyson show up to an NBA, NFL, or MLB game and start singing about how much he is gonna kick Wilder's ass and it will catch fire.

That's about all you'd need...

But I think Joshua has a profile here. Just isn't huge.....yet. But I'm telling you, the casuals will eat this fight up like no other once they see these two in a press conference together or on one of those radio stations/debate shows. You have guys like Reggie Miller during games talking about it....though he referred to AJ as Anthony Johnson lmao.

[koolkc107]

But I think Joshua has a profile here. Just isn't huge.....yet. But I'm telling you, the casuals will eat this fight up like no other once they see these two in a press conference together or on one of those radio stations/debate shows. You have guys like Reggie Miller during games talking about it....though he referred to AJ as Anthony Johnson lmao.

AJ will never be half the self-promoter Fury is (nor will Wilder be for that matter).

And Fury makes whoever he is fighting better at PR. Who can forget that WWE style showdown Fury and Wilder had postfight?

I think an in shape Fury is just as lucrative for Wilder as AJ from a marketing standpoint.

[NearHypnos]

Don't be so sure about that. If AJ is insisting on 70/30 in his favor, and Fury can get 70/30 in his favor against Wilder, Fury likely makes the same amount in either scenario and Wilder is perceived as the easier fight. Not to mention a Fury loss doesn't harm Warren nearly as much against Wilder as it does against AJ as Warren would be helping his fiercest rival by allowing AJ to beat Fury.

This is actually a fair point and never thought about it that way with the “rivalry” so to speak.

I'm confident Wilder will walk away with a better deal than 15 million this time around. You said AJ can just blackball him? Okay, lets see him do that. Hearn's PR machine isn't going to work as well this time around.

Fury/Wilder can take place either in the UK or the states. This one probably makes more sense doing it in the states to take advantage of the PPV money.

So will Hearn do the Fury/Joshua fight even if Fury isn't with Matchroom? And Fury likely feels he schools Wilder easy so he won't think the Joshua fight is in jeopardy.

A-side has most of the value in these big fights unless you have two mega stars, but that doesn't mean the B-side just takes whatever deal is offered to them. Joshua is no punk and he's not going to like all this heat that comes his way and losing out on this type of pay day. The fight will happen in April, and Wilder will make more than 15 million. End of story.

Fury and Wilder would make no money jn the states. None. I love the gypsy king and wilder but it’d do less than 200k. If that. No ppv money there. Last thing people remember Fury for in the states is one of the worst fights ever vs Wlad and no one knows Wilder enough for ppv, much less for any significant amount for the show. 29.99 is a STRETCH.

Blackball in the way that Aj has taken most of the good names out already and I feel with the majority of the ones left (whos left even?) they’ll all naturally gravitate towards an aJ fight. Its not about pr. Its about money. Plain and simple. The only reason someone would fight Wilder imo is because AJ wasnt an option and theyll try to get to AJ through a Wilder win.


The other poster made a good point abkut Fury’s team but, in my opinion of course, I still thinn Aj-Fury would happen before Wilder-Fury — all things considered.

[Stinger1]

Youre still ignoring half the PPV money going to the distributors and providers.

Youre still ignoring Klitschko being a much bigger international star than AJ.

And even with your fantasy numbers, you get nowhere near a 50 million purse for AJ. Tyson will want close to half, if not half, of the purse. Youre not going to get Tyson to take a flat fee.

Sky is the distributor and provider in the UK and don't take a big %. Eddie and AJ aren't going to give Tyson more than 35%.

[Stinger1]

Don't be so sure about that. If AJ is insisting on 70/30 in his favor, and Fury can get 70/30 in his favor against Wilder, Fury likely makes the same amount in either scenario and Wilder is perceived as the easier fight. Not to mention a Fury loss doesn't harm Warren nearly as much against Wilder as it does against AJ as Warren would be helping his fiercest rival by allowing AJ to beat Fury.

You've truly lost the plot. Wilder is going to want 60%+ in his favour to face Fury in the UK.

[NearHypnos]

You've truly lost the plot. Wilder is going to want 60%+ in his favour to face Fury in the UK.

Wilder will want what he wants but I think the Warren-Hearn thing is a legitimate point. I think money talks but it’s a legitimate cloud and potential roadblock for sure.

[KTFOKING]

Fury and Wilder would make no money jn the states. None. I love the gypsy king and wilder but it’d do less than 200k. If that. No ppv money there. Last thing people remember Fury for in the states is one of the worst fights ever vs Wlad and no one knows Wilder enough for ppv, much less for any significant amount for the show. 29.99 is a STRETCH.

Blackball in the way that Aj has taken most of the good names out already and I feel with the majority of the ones left (whos left even?) they’ll all naturally gravitate towards an aJ fight. Its not about pr. Its about money. Plain and simple. The only reason someone would fight Wilder imo is because AJ wasnt an option and theyll try to get to AJ through a Wilder win.


The other poster made a good point abkut Fury’s team but, in my opinion of course, I still thinn Aj-Fury would happen before Wilder-Fury — all things considered.

Fury and Wilder certainly could make money in the states. Don't underestimate what Fury could do no the mic. It won't do Wilder vs Joshua type of numbers, but they will make good money off that fight.

Which name is Joshua going to blackball Wilder with? Whyte? There a bunch of names in the HW division of similar stature. Wilder won't have trouble getting those types of names. He just isn't obviously going to be making PPV type of money vs them.