Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua Wanted One-Way Rematch Clause, to Pick Officials

[EnglishOxide]

You really should be banned.

This is a public forum and you are PAID to spread pro-Wilder propaganda.

Everyone else are just fanboys either way.

You literally dare not to question your employer's actions and be impartial.

"All promoters and managers lie and twist the truth"....

"Except Shelly Finkel...."

It makes absolutely zero sense for Hearn to get 2 months worth of extensions from the WBA to make a fight for April.

As far as the date in September goes, Hearn would look for the best deal from HBO/Showtime and DAZN. Whatever it is would be significantly less being so close to Canelo/GGG than otherwise. But you knew that.

[Ray*]

Yes I've considered it, but I see no evidence of it, nor do I see any logical reason to believe it. Wilder is the franchise player for Showtime. Showtime just spent years trying to develop AJ in the US so they could put him against Wilder in a massive PPV and now they're losing AJ to DAZN. All the time, money and energy Showtime just spent for three years to try to build a fight has gone down the toilet due to Hearn jumping to DAZN.

So I have a hard time believing Finkel & Hearn are in cahoots when their interests are so incompatible right now. What evidence is there that this is some secret plan to build the fight? It's a conspiracy theory with nothing to support it. I know first hand Espinoza is furious. Which would mean he's being kept in the dark. Dibella is furious. which would mean he's being kept in the dark. And what would the point of it all be? Why risk alienating Espinoza by getting his permission for the fight to be on DAZN in October if it was all a ploy that Finkel was in on and Finkel wasn't really trying to make the fight for October?

I don't think you're understanding the business ramifications for each side if this fight does or doesn't happen.




The contract didn't specify that the fight would be next. So Wilder could sign, then be stuck waiting while AJ takes other fights. Wilder's 50 million offer specifically listed NO INTERIM FIGHTS as well as the months the fight could take place in. Those are things you specify in a legitimate offer. Hearn purposely left out that information in the contract he sent.

There has been absolutely no action taken by Hearn throughout this entire process that indicates his preference was for AJ to fight Wilder next. Time and time again he made it clear he wanted Povetkin next. As he should. It's the safer fight and when you promote the A-side cash cow, why would you rush to the most dangerous fight? Hearn is just protecting his interests. As he should. I don't blame him. I blame UK fans who are gullible enough to believe Hearn really wanted Wilder next.




But it's not too late to make the Wilder fight for 2018. September even. Wilder is willing to fight in the same venue on the same date. September 22. Why is it Povetkin that night instead of Wilder? Because Hearn wants Povetkin. It's really simple. If he wanted Wilder, it'd be Wilder. The Canelo PPV on 9/15 is irrelevant because DAZN is only going to be like $12 and they'll likely offer the first month for free anyway to get people to sign up. Even if Hearn wanted October, the fight would take place in October. You've offered no logical explanation for why the fight isn't happening next if Hearn wants it to.

I couldn’t careless about showtime, sky, HBO or DAZN. The Povetkin fight wasn’t the priority if negotiations for Wilder didn’t drag, did Hearn participate in it dragging? Of course he did, but as the B-side you should know that and no waste your time. Don’t let money become your main motivation. That’s where Shelly let Wilder down. They were guaranteed to the next AJ fight (Again according to the questions asked by Shelly), the only thing I have heard from Hearn is they would not do the fight in September due to Canelo/GGG (No brainer again) but October/November depending on which venue is available, which Shelly said ok to.

No one is going to convince me that AJ next fight was meant to be for April 2019 if Wilder was meant to be next.

And lastly why would or should the fight happen in September when Canelo/GGG are fighting in that month? That’s not even something Mayweather would do, Hearn isn’t just selling the fight to the U.K. public, he would look to maximise it and sell it everywhere (America included), and since Wilder is a bigger name than Povetkin 22nd of September wouldn’t be an issue for a Povetkin fight.

And the Wilder fight isn’t happening next in October/November because there was no signed contract and Team Joshua best mates (The WBA) have had enough of the extensions and mandate Povetkin ASAP. Look I don’t agree with the WBA but the WBC are known to do stuffs like his as well. He can’t forget the stunt they pulled for Wilder recently to sidetrack Whyte.

[Ray*]

You really should be banned.

This is a public forum and you are PAID to spread pro-Wilder propaganda.

Everyone else are just fanboys either way.

You literally dare not to question your employer's actions and be impartial.

"All promoters and managers lie and twist the truth"....

"Except Shelly Finkel...."

It makes absolutely zero sense for Hearn to get 2 months worth of extensions from the WBA to make a fight for April.

As far as the date in September goes, Hearn would look for the best deal from HBO/Showtime and DAZN. Whatever it is would be significantly less being so close to Canelo/GGG than otherwise. But you knew that.

Shelly is the truth... lol

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Povetkin fight wasn’t the priority if negotiations for Wilder didn’t drag, did Hearn participate in it dragging? Of course he did, but as the B-side you should know that and no waste your time. Don’t let money become your main motivation. That’s where Shelly let Wilder down. They were guaranteed to the next AJ fight

They were promised the fight would be next, but Hearn didn't keep his word when he sent the contract. Happens in boxing all the time. You make promises and then send a contract that doesn't reflect what was promised. It's what's in the contract that is binding. If Hearn really wanted the fight next, the contract would have reflected that.

No one is going to convince me that AJ next fight was meant to be for April 2019 if Wilder was meant to be next.

Of course. Which proves Wilder was never meant to be next. Finkel waited and waited for a date until Hearn finally admitted they were fighting Povetkin next and the date would be April for a Wilder fight. That's when Wilder balked and turned down the fight.

And lastly why would or should the fight happen in September when Canelo/GGG are fighting in that month? That’s not even something Mayweather would do, Hearn isn’t just selling the fight to the U.K. public, he would look to maximise it and sell it everywhere (America included), and since Wilder is a bigger name than Povetkin 22nd of September wouldn’t be an issue for a Povetkin fight.

But look at how inconsistent the arguments are from the AJ side. Is Wilder a weak b-side or not? Why is it okay to fight Povetkin September 22 but somehow the Wilder fight is too big for that date even though supposedly Wilder is a nobody? Doesn't make any sense.

And I know it's not you making those arguments, but the point is that so many of you groan on and on about nobody knowing who Wilder is, he's a nobody, he makes 1.4 million a fight, he's this, he's that, but now suddenly he's too huge of a star to fight 9/22 and 9/22 can only be for a lesser fighter like Povetkin? Doesn't make any sense.

Regardless, a contract was never sent for a fight in 2018. October, November, either one. If Hearn wanted the fight next, he'd have sent a contract that said "fight to take place in October or November with no interim fights."

[SUBZER0ED]

You just told on yourself, Wilder! At first, it was no listed date nor venue that were the problems. Now, it's the fact that you couldn't get a rematch clause if you lose, nor pick the officials. If you were so confident that you'd KO Joshua, why would those issues be enough to kill the deal on your end? You were hoping that you could get a ref like you had for the Ortiz fight, who wouldn't call the fight even if you're out on your feet. You're full of shit, you bum ass coward! FOH.

[Ray*]

They were promised the fight would be next, but Hearn didn't keep his word when he sent the contract. Happens in boxing all the time. You make promises and then send a contract that doesn't reflect what was promised. It's what's in the contract that is binding. If Hearn really wanted the fight next, the contract would have reflected that.




Of course. Which proves Wilder was never meant to be next. Finkel waited and waited for a date until Hearn finally admitted they were fighting Povetkin next and the date would be April for a Wilder fight. That's when Wilder balked and turned down the fight.




But look at how inconsistent the arguments are from the AJ side. Is Wilder a weak b-side or not? Why is it okay to fight Povetkin September 22 but somehow the Wilder fight is too big for that date even though supposedly Wilder is a nobody? Doesn't make any sense.

And I know it's not you making those arguments, but the point is that so many of you groan on and on about nobody knowing who Wilder is, he's a nobody, he makes 1.4 million a fight, he's this, he's that, but now suddenly he's too huge of a star to fight 9/22 and 9/22 can only be for a lesser fighter like Povetkin? Doesn't make any sense.

Regardless, a contract was never sent for a fight in 2018. October, November, either one. If Hearn wanted the fight next, he'd have sent a contract that said "fight to take place in October or November with no interim fights."

A contract was sent for an October/November fight (Acknowledged by Shelly) it wasn’t signed and Team Joshua moved on. Now they have told them about April 2019. You either believe Shelly again when that time comes or you can continue the Hearn is a liar as usual. You can recycle everything you say in every single of one your post but it doesn’t make it true. If the contract was signed we would have seen if the fight was happening this year (Like claimed in the media by Hearn and not debunked by Shelly so far.), but the contract wasn’t signed, Hearn found his way out and he have Povetkin next. And yeah am sure every man and their dog knows Wilder is a bigger fight than Pov in every way shape or form.

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A contract was sent for an October/November fight (Acknowledged by Shelly)

please show us where shelly acknowledged THE CONTRACT mentioned october or november.

[Ray*]

please show us where shelly acknowledged THE CONTRACT mentioned october or november.

Has Shelly come out and said that wasn’t the case?

[uppercut510]

so let me guess, aj fans agree with what hearn put in the contract concerning the rematch, ref and officials? wilder should have signed that for april of next year? even if he last to pedvtkin he would be locked into a contract with a flat fee and all these bullsht stipulations? how can you all side with hearn on this??

[N/A]

Has Shelly come out and said that wasn’t the case?

Shelly said the contract originally had no date, he kept pressing Eddie for a date and eventually Eddie said the date was April.

Nowhere has Shelly ever said they had a contract mentioning October or November.

Nowhere has HEARN ever said there was a contract mentioning October or November. Hearn has only said "they knew" it would be October, but if what "they knew" isn't guaranteed in the contract, it's meaningless.