Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua Wanted One-Way Rematch Clause, to Pick Officials

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Why would the B side get a rematch clause? When has that ever happened?

Pac s still waiting for his rematch.
Wilder is ducking. If Josh wins he don't want to rematch wilder straight away as he will likely want to face the rest of fighters in top ten.
If wilder wins he's likely face bums outside top 20. So it makes sense Josh gets rematch h as we know what wilder is like getting big fights.

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Even Horn got an Aussie judge in the US lmao...

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Joshua is a grade A top of the line ***** and coward!!!

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So you are saying that hearn switched contracts somehow? He left the date blank, then suddenly switched april next year in? He must have thought wilder would sign, what was he going to do then, say eh sorry wilder its for next year actually. He would have looked like a right plank for that.

I dont know what happened exactly but i hope it comes out soon. There are things missing in this, too many holes and stuff that doesnt really add up imo, hearn giving a contract 2 months ago for only april or beyond next year is very strange business practice, having povet all wrapped up long ago too, there were better ways of doing that it would seem to me

he left the date blank to be filled in later and when later came, he said april.

wilder was never in possession of a contract that would guarantee the aj fight would be next. hearn always left himself an out.

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Yep you believing everything Shelly says. That’s sums it all up.

between hearn and shelly, im more likely to believe shelly because hearn has been caught lying so many times through this process and finkel shows the emails to the media to prove hes telling the truth.

eddies version of events doesnt make sense because without a purse bid order, there was still plenty of time. why wouldnt i believe the side that fits more closely with the facts?

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He is now asking them to sign for April AFTER the fight was called off. I thought you know this by now.

but hes the one that called off the fight!

he never ever would guarantee 2018 in a contract. finally admitted it would he april, then started publicly pressuring wilder to sign for april even though the only reason 2018 wasnt possible was because hearn was refusing 2018. there was nothing stopping 2018 other than hearn not wanting it.

[Ray*]

between hearn and shelly, im more likely to believe shelly because hearn has been caught lying so many times through this process and finkel shows the emails to the media to prove hes telling the truth.

eddies version of events doesnt make sense because without a purse bid order, there was still plenty of time. why wouldnt i believe the side that fits more closely with the facts?

but hes the one that called off the fight!

he never ever would guarantee 2018 in a contract. finally admitted it would he april, then started publicly pressuring wilder to sign for april even though the only reason 2018 wasnt possible was because hearn was refusing 2018. there was nothing stopping 2018 other than hearn not wanting it.

Again that’s speculating. There was no signed contract, without a sign contract he said October/November. When he didn’t get it in time he moved on. Now he is now begging them to sign the same contract for April in time for them to market it. Shelly never said anything about the fight not happening in 2018 or refusing to sign it because it was happening in 2019. They wanted to know they were next and that was communicated to them. So like I said either Shelly played you or both are playing everyone.

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Again that’s speculating. There was no signed contract, without a sign contract he said October/November. When he didn’t get it in time he moved on.

Ray, you're probably one of the least biased UK fans here. So I'm hoping you will consider the following:

Hearn himself admits the contract had no date. Not even "fight to take place on a date to be chosen later in either October or November." Simply no date at all. If Wilder signed the contract with no date, he'd be stuck in limbo like Briggs is now with Fury. Obligated to fight at some point, with no guarantee of when the fight will be, even as other fights happen first.

You say Hearn moved on, but if he moved on without ever sending a contract that guaranteed the fight would be next, wouldn't that clearly show he didn't want it next? If he truly intended for the fight to be next, why did he refuse to send a contract promising that? He would promise it on IFL, but never in a contract. He kept telling Shelly a date is coming a date is coming, but when he finally emailed Shelly a date, it was April.

Now he is now begging them to sign the same contract for April in time for them to market it.

Why would Wilder fight for 15 million in April when he only accepted the 15 million to prove Hearn was bluffing? Wilder didn't believe Hearn would do the fight next no matter what. So Wilder said yes to a low ball horrible offer to prove Hearn would never make the fight next.

So if the fight isn't going to be next, why should Wilder be locked into a terrible deal he only accepted to prove Hearn was lying?

[Ray*]

Ray, you're probably one of the least biased UK fans here. So I'm hoping you will consider the following:

Hearn himself admits the contract had no date. Not even "fight to take place on a date to be chosen later in either October or November." Simply no date at all. If Wilder signed the contract with no date, he'd be stuck in limbo like Briggs is now with Fury. Obligated to fight at some point, with no guarantee of when the fight will be, even as other fights happen first.

You say Hearn moved on, but if he moved on without ever sending a contract that guaranteed the fight would be next, wouldn't that clearly show he didn't want it next? If he truly intended for the fight to be next, why did he refuse to send a contract promising that? He would promise it on IFL, but never in a contract. He kept telling Shelly a date is coming a date is coming, but when he finally emailed Shelly a date, it was April.




Why would Wilder fight for 15 million in April when he only accepted the 15 million to prove Hearn was bluffing? Wilder didn't believe Hearn would do the fight next no matter what. So Wilder said yes to a low ball horrible offer to prove Hearn would never make the fight next.

So if the fight isn't going to be next, why should Wilder be locked into a terrible deal he only accepted to prove Hearn was lying?

Have you ever considered that Shelly and Hearn are both playing everyone? Again there is NO way Hearn would have then signing a contract and then the fight doesn’t happen until 2019, that would mean putting AJ on the shelf for 11 months. I don’t see any issue with the exact date not been in a contract. Why? Because you have to sort venues out but usually one of Cardiff or Wembley should be available for ether month.

The second part is now Hearn urging Wilder to sign the contract for April, your claim was Shelly said the signing was for April 2019. So you choose to believe Shelly even doe he may be lying. April 2019 is because Povetkin is now for September.

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Have you ever considered that Shelly and Hearn are both playing everyone?

Yes I've considered it, but I see no evidence of it, nor do I see any logical reason to believe it. Wilder is the franchise player for Showtime. Showtime just spent years trying to develop AJ in the US so they could put him against Wilder in a massive PPV and now they're losing AJ to DAZN. All the time, money and energy Showtime just spent for three years to try to build a fight has gone down the toilet due to Hearn jumping to DAZN.

So I have a hard time believing Finkel & Hearn are in cahoots when their interests are so incompatible right now. What evidence is there that this is some secret plan to build the fight? It's a conspiracy theory with nothing to support it. I know first hand Espinoza is furious. Which would mean he's being kept in the dark. Dibella is furious. which would mean he's being kept in the dark. And what would the point of it all be? Why risk alienating Espinoza by getting his permission for the fight to be on DAZN in October if it was all a ploy that Finkel was in on and Finkel wasn't really trying to make the fight for October?

I don't think you're understanding the business ramifications for each side if this fight does or doesn't happen.

Again there is NO way Hearn would have then signing a contract and then the fight doesn’t happen until 2019, that would mean putting AJ on the shelf for 11 months. I don’t see any issue with the exact date not been in a contract. Why? Because you have to sort venues out but usually one of Cardiff or Wembley should be available for ether month.

The contract didn't specify that the fight would be next. So Wilder could sign, then be stuck waiting while AJ takes other fights. Wilder's 50 million offer specifically listed NO INTERIM FIGHTS as well as the months the fight could take place in. Those are things you specify in a legitimate offer. Hearn purposely left out that information in the contract he sent.

There has been absolutely no action taken by Hearn throughout this entire process that indicates his preference was for AJ to fight Wilder next. Time and time again he made it clear he wanted Povetkin next. As he should. It's the safer fight and when you promote the A-side cash cow, why would you rush to the most dangerous fight? Hearn is just protecting his interests. As he should. I don't blame him. I blame UK fans who are gullible enough to believe Hearn really wanted Wilder next.

The second part is now Hearn urging Wilder to sign the contract for April, your claim was Shelly said the signing was for April 2019. So you choose to believe Shelly even doe he may be lying. April 2019 is because Povetkin is now for September.

But it's not too late to make the Wilder fight for 2018. September even. Wilder is willing to fight in the same venue on the same date. September 22. Why is it Povetkin that night instead of Wilder? Because Hearn wants Povetkin. It's really simple. If he wanted Wilder, it'd be Wilder. The Canelo PPV on 9/15 is irrelevant because DAZN is only going to be like $12 and they'll likely offer the first month for free anyway to get people to sign up. Even if Hearn wanted October, the fight would take place in October. You've offered no logical explanation for why the fight isn't happening next if Hearn wants it to.