Comments Thread For: Wilder Manager: We Bent Over Backwards To Make Joshua Fight!

[DocGreenThumb.]

Eddie hearn has literally debunked everything wilder fanboys have said to say their ducking in latest 1 hour 20 min interview on ifl, do you ever see winkle in interviews?
Hearn has said wilder can still sign contract for fight in april for 15 mill, and make 50/50 in rematch if he wins. If wilder is so confident he'll beat joshua he'll jump at that offer, he would make a minimum of 50 million over two fights if he wins and he'll become undisputed champ. Thats literally 20x what hes ever earned.
It is clear who is stalling this fight.

Hey dumb ass stop protecting.
Aj already Wilder wants to fight AJ next while Eddie has been throwing roadblocks left and right. 50 mil dollar offer and Eddie and Aj came up with excuses confirmed by Finkel. Wilder wants to be heavyweight champion undisputed. He's basically bent over backwards and has tried to pay Aj to get his asss whooped fo the belts. This year no tunups No waiting until April 14 or whatever Sat in April he want the fight now. Hard headed fucs from across the pond.

[DocGreenThumb.]

Who's apologized to the fans and who's coming up with more bs with 5 mil $ offers. For tuneups. Are you. AJ fan boys that ****** and ignorant wtf. 50 mil for Aj subtracted to 5 mil thrown at Wilder to fight a tuneup in England. How does that make any fucin sense to you blokes. Total duck move ever.

[Jimmy gold]

There you go changing the subject again smh you truly are a useless human being...

It’s facts tho bummmm squuuuuaaaad

[Jimmy gold]

Floyd never "popped dirty" you moron. He had an IV of saline and vitamins which he disclosed before it was done. Pac fans are always ridiculously bad at facts.

It’s a fact u Floyd nut hugger they did a whole investigation on it lol but he’s the one that brought Las Vegas money so they let it slide

[Jimmy gold]

lol you ******s will use anything to justify your ******ed opinions. Apples and Oranges, and the Wilder fight was cancelled and remade at a later date, in which Ortiz tested clean. Manny fight was made years later when Manny magically wasn't afraid of needles anymore and hasn't looked good since.

Yeah why didn’t the Alabama fraud povetkin then is it cause Ortiz is less dangerous than povetkin I think so buuuuummm squuuuuaaaad

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what this all boils down to is that Ortiz has become the barometer for suggesting Wilders record is equal or close to AJ’s

Has nothing to do with Wilder being equal or close. Has to do with trolls claiming Wilder has only fought bums. So obviously in response it'll be brought up that not only has Wilder defeated a consensus top 4 fighter, he's beaten two of them. AJ has beaten zero of them.

Doesn't mean Wilder has the stronger resume. You're free to believe AJ has the stronger resume overall. But what it does mean is that when people say Wilder hasn't fought anybody, they're full of **** because he's actually the guy that has defeated multiple top opponents while AJ still hasn't fought a universally recognized top guy.

[sportbuddha]

Has nothing to do with Wilder being equal or close. Has to do with trolls claiming Wilder has only fought bums. So obviously in response it'll be brought up that not only has Wilder defeated a consensus top 4 fighter, he's beaten two of them. AJ has beaten zero of them.

Doesn't mean Wilder has the stronger resume. You're free to believe AJ has the stronger resume overall. But what it does mean is that when people say Wilder hasn't fought anybody, they're full of **** because he's actually the guy that has defeated multiple top opponents while AJ still hasn't fought a universally recognized top guy.

I'm with you on the trolls, I hate it when people who know nothing about the sport talk rubbish about records they don't understand. However, in this case, it's true, having 41 fights against 39 tomato cans and two very average others is not a legacy to be proud of.

Today he even had the gaul to talk about having 51 fights, like he has no understanding whatsoever how irrelevant KO'ing cab drivers is to anyone. If he keeps boxing at the same level, if he makes it to 51 fights and still hasn't fought AJ, Povetkin, Fury and Parker, he would end up retiring with that record and being denied entry to the Hall of Fame, that's how bad his record is.

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I'm with you on the trolls, I hate it when people who know nothing about the sport talk rubbish about records they don't understand. However, in this case, it's true, having 41 fights against 39 tomato cans and two very average others is not a legacy to be proud of.

The amount of fights is irrelevant. Wilder had practically no amateur background. So obviously he's going to need more pro fights before fighting for a title than the average top prospect would need. Also, such an incredible amount of Wilder's fights ended in the first or second round that it took more fights than usual to gain experience because he wasn't getting any rounds under his belt.

To judge a fighter for his path to the title is ridiculous. Some are ready quicker than others. Who cares. When he fought for the title, he fought the #2 guy. When AJ fought for the title, he fought the #9 guy. Which is more impressive?

Once Wilder got the title, he got screwed out of a potential big win when Povetkin was caught cheating multiple times. So his biggest defense was King Kong, who was the most ducked heavyweight in the world and a consensus top 3 or 4 heavyweight in the world.

Better than any of AJ's defenses.

So say all you want that Wilder fought bums on the way to the top. Everybody does. But his title fights include the highest ranked opponents compared to AJ's title fights. So some fair objectivity would require you to be a bit kinder to Wilder's resume.

[ChrisCook]

"That's why Deontay took well below market value because he wants to be the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world."

End of fkn story really you morons. Just stfu

That's an extremely considered and well thought out point. The only way to respond to this is by asking... why didn't he sign the contract then? You know, being as he wanted it so much!
The terms were agreed by Wilder publicly and apparently the contract sent to Wilder's team mirrored the terms that they agreed to so again, why not sign?
The contract is still there to be signed with an added bonus fight, if Wilder wants it (but it is not contingent upon) so, if he wants to be the undisputed champion of the world that much, he'll sign right?

[sportbuddha]

The amount of fights is irrelevant. Wilder had practically no amateur background. So obviously he's going to need more pro fights before fighting for a title than the average top prospect would need. Also, such an incredible amount of Wilder's fights ended in the first or second round that it took more fights than usual to gain experience because he wasn't getting any rounds under his belt.

To judge a fighter for his path to the title is ridiculous. Some are ready quicker than others. Who cares. When he fought for the title, he fought the #2 guy. When AJ fought for the title, he fought the #9 guy. Which is more impressive?

Once Wilder got the title, he got screwed out of a potential big win when Povetkin was caught cheating multiple times. So his biggest defense was King Kong, who was the most ducked heavyweight in the world and a consensus top 3 or 4 heavyweight in the world.

Better than any of AJ's defenses.

So say all you want that Wilder fought bums on the way to the top. Everybody does. But his title fights include the highest ranked opponents compared to AJ's title fights. So some fair objectivity would require you to be a bit kinder to Wilder's resume.

You’re making some fair comments, but it depends entirely on whose opposition you rate higher, it’s very subjective of course.

I weigh it up like this, do I think anyone that Wilder has fought would beat the last 7 of AJ’s opponents. And I’m taking into account here when Wilder fought Stiverne and when he fought Ortiz and AJ vs Wlad etc.

Whyte - Ortiz would probably beat him, we’ll soon find out, Stiverne, maybe, very close call. I don’t think anyone else Wilder has fought beats Whyte

Charles Martin - Pretty much all of Wilders last seven opponents beat Martin too, so yeah he’s tomato can.

Molina - Even they both beat Molina (scrubbed)

Breazeale - Ortiz beats him, Stiverne probably gets points win if in the shape of his first fight with Wilder, he’d lose if in the shape of 2nd fight. We know he beats Molina, he’d beat Scott or probably Arreola, so again just two people on Wilders record beat Brezeale.

Wlad - None of Wilders opposition would have beat Wlad the shape he was in to fight AJ. Ortiz would have dragged it to points, maybe.

Carlos Takam - Ortiz might have a slight chance in the early rounds but Takam has never looked close to hurt, so I think he grinds out a win over Ortiz, Stiverne would be gassed with Takam’s constant work rate and unable to hurt him, Takam easily outpoints Stiverne.

Parker - interesting one, do I think Hughie Fury is better than Stiverne...yes...so in that case Stiverne won’t beat Parker. Do I think Parker beats Ortiz, yes because he’s fitter, but it’d be close.

So...here’s where I land, in Wilders entire 41 fights he has just one fighter capable of living with 4/7 of AJs last opponents. AJs record is better.