Comments Thread For: Wilder Manager: We Bent Over Backwards To Make Joshua Fight!

[ChrisCook]

Would you sign a contract with no fight date or site on it? How about one that guarantees one champion a rematch and not yourself? This is a serious question. Please give a serious 'extremely considered and well thought out' answer please. If you're capable.

Obviously you haven't been following closely enough so allow me to enlighten you: The date is scheduled for April 13th at Wembley stadium... it has been widely publicised!
Whether or not I would sign a contract is not remotely relevant, the facts are that Wilder accepted the terms publicly but he didn't sign. Now I see that Wilder is demanding 50-50, utterly delusional!

[uppercut510]

Povetkin would generate far less than a Wilder fight .

Hes not worried about competing with GGG/Canelo on the same month in that instance .

He would be foolish to put a mega unification fight at Wembley with Wilder this year bc he wouldn't maximize revenue .

Povetkin has a huge Russian following unlike Wilders U.S support and never been on PPV .

He NEEDS full attention on that fight with Wilder / Joshua bc neither Joshua or Wilder are big U.S stars !

canelo ggg is on sept 15th hearn said wembly was an option for sept 22 or 29th for pedvtkn but he said the reason they couldnt fight wilder in sept is because aj wanted the fight at wembly and they couldnt do it because wembly wasnt available in sept.

[uppercut510]

Obviously you haven't been following closely enough so allow me to enlighten you: The date is scheduled for April 13th at Wembley stadium... it has been widely publicised!
Whether or not I would sign a contract is not remotely relevant, the facts are that Wilder accepted the terms publicly but he didn't sign. Now I see that Wilder is demanding 50-50, utterly delusional!

he accepted and got a contract with no date or venue and then hearn told them it was for next year, aj asked for 50 mil and turned it down and you had no issues with that sir? why didnt hearn just negotiate a percentage with wilder that way we wouldnt be talking about any of this. a flat fee for a fight of this magnitude is unheard of and 50 mil is the highest guarantee for any HW fight EVER. how can you on one hand condemn wilder for saying he agreed and then not signing but give aj a pass for saying hed sign for 50mil and then rejecting it. and then have nothing to say with all of hearns contradictions?

[ChrisCook]

he accepted and got a contract with no date or venue and then hearn told them it was for next year, aj asked for 50 mil and turned it down and you had no issues with that sir? why didnt hearn just negotiate a percentage with wilder that way we wouldnt be talking about any of this. a flat fee for a fight of this magnitude is unheard of and 50 mil is the highest guarantee for any HW fight EVER. how can you on one hand condemn wilder for saying he agreed and then not signing but give aj a pass for saying hed sign for 50mil and then rejecting it. and then have nothing to say with all of hearns contradictions?

No, by all accounts the contract mirrored the terms; and regarding the 50mil, AJ said publicly that he would sign if they paid him that amount, then they called his bluff. AJ should have know better and it didn't look good - I can't argue and wouldn't give him a pass for it. Concerning that point specifically, Wilders team wouldn't provide a contract so what would AJ sign exactly? Furthermore, when Hearn was in NY, they wouldn't even meet with him, cancelling twice - you would expect more from them, especially Haymon, who I consider a successful businessman.
I have no idea why Hearn didn't offer a percentage, quite honestly I couldn't care less either, you and I don't get a cut so what does it matter? Honestly, I have no issue with Wilder at all, in fact I think the way he promotes himself is a breath of fresh air for the HW division. I do however, think that the way he is multi managed is detrimental to his career. As an American HW belt holder he should be paid a lot more than he is... he deserves it!

[N/A]

The date is scheduled for April 13th at Wembley stadium... it has been widely publicised!

Which means the fight isn't next. Which means Wilder is no longer willing to accept a low ball flat fee. He called AJ's bluff and they still backed out, so now the flat fee is out the window.

[chicken-]

You’re making some fair comments, but it depends entirely on whose opposition you rate higher, it’s very subjective of course.

I weigh it up like this, do I think anyone that Wilder has fought would beat the last 7 of AJ’s opponents. And I’m taking into account here when Wilder fought Stiverne and when he fought Ortiz and AJ vs Wlad etc.

Whyte - Ortiz would probably beat him, we’ll soon find out, Stiverne, maybe, very close call. I don’t think anyone else Wilder has fought beats Whyte

Charles Martin - Pretty much all of Wilders last seven opponents beat Martin too, so yeah he’s tomato can.

Molina - Even they both beat Molina (scrubbed)

Breazeale - Ortiz beats him, Stiverne probably gets points win if in the shape of his first fight with Wilder, he’d lose if in the shape of 2nd fight. We know he beats Molina, he’d beat Scott or probably Arreola, so again just two people on Wilders record beat Brezeale.

Wlad - None of Wilders opposition would have beat Wlad the shape he was in to fight AJ. Ortiz would have dragged it to points, maybe.

Carlos Takam - Ortiz might have a slight chance in the early rounds but Takam has never looked close to hurt, so I think he grinds out a win over Ortiz, Stiverne would be gassed with Takam’s constant work rate and unable to hurt him, Takam easily outpoints Stiverne.

Parker - interesting one, do I think Hughie Fury is better than Stiverne...yes...so in that case Stiverne won’t beat Parker. Do I think Parker beats Ortiz, yes because he’s fitter, but it’d be close.

So...here’s where I land, in Wilders entire 41 fights he has just one fighter capable of living with 4/7 of AJs last opponents. AJs record is better.

Hmm let's see, Klitchko got soundly defeated by Fury, went somewhere between 16-18 months between fights and then was TKO'd just as much from exhaustion as he was from punishment. Not to mention Joshua was a **** hair away from being knocked out himself...with a little extra rest from the Ref too.

AJ's record is no better. Everybody talks **** about Ortiz because he was 39 but Klitchko being beaten at 41 years of age after already being completely embarrassed by Fury is somehow a monumental achievement. Give me a f'ing break.

[chicken-]

It’s a fact u Floyd nut hugger they did a whole investigation on it lol but he’s the one that brought Las Vegas money so they let it slide

You mean the investigation that he took saline and vitamins? Those aren't PEDs last time I checked. Feel free to link ONE reputable source that shows evidence of Floyd testing positive for a banned substance. So many morons on here.

[chicken-]

It's well within Joshua's rights to demand the fight be in the UK if he wants it. If Wilder wins then the tables will be turned and the rematch will be in the US. Makes good sense to me.

I'm glad you think it made sense, now tell that to Hearn/Joshua who are demanding a fight in the UK with no rematch clause for Wilder but only for Joshua if he were to lose (and we don't even know if the contract specifies where the rematch would take place).

[Jimmy gold]

You mean the investigation that he took saline and vitamins? Those aren't PEDs last time I checked. Feel free to link ONE reputable source that shows evidence of Floyd testing positive for a banned substance. So many morons on here.

Like povetkin he tested positive melodium that’s not really a steroid but wilder was to scared to fight him lol

[pillowfists98]

I'm glad you think it made sense, now tell that to Hearn/Joshua who are demanding a fight in the UK with no rematch clause for Wilder but only for Joshua if he were to lose (and we don't even know if the contract specifies where the rematch would take place).

The B side has never gotten a rematch clause. Never. Please explain to me why Wilder deserves a rematch if he loses. He only has one belt compared to 3 and he's never sold a PPV in his life.