Comments Thread For: Wilder Erupts on Joshua: I Smell P*ssy, You Coward Ass B*tch!

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So then who receives the revenue his fights generate? The promoter is paid a flat fee. His opponents are paid small purses according to you (ignoring that in in house fights, both filed purses are likely fake). So where is the money going? Wilder is Showtime's biggest star and biggest ratings draw. They're likely paying 4-5 million as a license fee for his fights. Another million in ticket sales. International TV, etc. Haymon sets everything up where the fighter ends up keeping as much of the revenue as possible. Just because Haymon doesn't leak the true purses like DLH & Arum do doesn't change the fact that his guys are paid more than what's filed. Standard procedure throughout the industry.

Dibella bid over 5 million, so Deontay would have made over 3.7 million had he won.

Do you see the contradiction there? Wilder's fights generate 5-6 million in revenue according to you yet for his biggest and riskiest fight Dibella bid less than that?? The reality is Wilder is not a draw and his fights generate just enough for Haymon to break even, if even that. The Ortiz fight might be an exception and it's no coincidence it's the only credible fight he's had and he was basically forced into it by Showtime. Using Joshua's name to boost his profile seems to have worked too.

As for Wilder's opponents' purses being fake too, Duhaupas is not with Haymon, so it was not an in-house fight, yet his purse was actually the lowest (140K).

I already told you it's standard procedure in the US and listed recent examples from GB & TR as well. It may very well happen around the world, but I've never worked in UK boxing so I can't comment on whether it's standard procedure there like it is here. I just asked you what AJ's filed purses have been. Filed purses may be different from Hearn's publicly stated numbers. Historically, promoters have exaggerated purses publicly to make fights look bigger and make their fighters look like bigger stars.

AJ's filed purses are not public but the PPV & gate numbers are and it's not hard to figure whether the publicly stated numbers are real or not. Also, when Hearn stated that Parker's & Martin's purses are nowhere near what was reported, people were saying he's understating the numbers and calling him a liar. Now he's exaggerating the numbers... Any examples of promoters exaggerating actual purses?

Wrong. You get your info from Hearn's public statements on IFL. I get my info from those involved in the private negotiations. Big difference. Hearn just publicly made Deontay an offer to fight on DAZN in October for 5 million. You don't think he'd made offers to him previously?

Wilder hasn't been made any offers to join Matchroom. Hearn teasing Wilder and taking digs at Dibella in videos doesn't mean jack. You don't have any insider/private info. The 5 million offer is part of the Joshua deal, it's just a sweetener, not an offer to sign with Matchroom.

YOU don't know for sure. Just because YOU don't know something doesn't mean I don't. Mikey, Charlos, Spence and Thurman all said no.

Spence is no more "self-promoted" than Haymon's other guys. It's all semantics. Spence still paid a flat fee to another promoter to do the actual work. Haymon controls everything.

You don't know for sure either. We will see about Mikey and the Charlos. Spence is simply not interested in having a promoter. Thurman is happy fighting one time a year.

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Do you see the contradiction there? Wilder's fights generate 5-6 million in revenue according to you yet for his biggest and riskiest fight Dibella bid less than that??

Wilder was a much smaller star back then than he is now. Dibella bid what the fight would generate. 5 million. So when Wilder's filed purses back then were around 1 million, he was likely making at least double. Most Haymon's top stars you can double the filed purses and it'll be much more accurate.

The reality is Wilder is not a draw and his fights generate just enough for Haymon to break even, if even that.

If Wilder isn't a draw, what American boxer is? He sells more tickets and does better ratings than pretty much anybody. It's all relative. If your definition of draw is such that nobody is a draw other than AJ and Canelo, so be it, but Wilder draws more than 99% of boxers.

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Wilder was a much smaller star back then than he is now. Dibella bid what the fight would generate. 5 million. So when Wilder's filed purses back then were around 1 million, he was likely making at least double. Most Haymon's top stars you can double the filed purses and it'll be much more accurate.

Wilder's purse for the Szpilka fight (the fight before Povetkin) was 1.5M. By your logic he got 3 million for that fight. And for the Povetkin fight, which is like 5 times bigger and is by far his biggest and riskiest fight, Dibella/Haymon bids only 5 million, for a purse of just 3.7M for Wilder?? Sorry but your numbers don't add up. Naturally, Dibella was easily outbid by Povetkin's promoter. Haymon was more willing to lose the purse bid and risk Wilder fighting in Russia than risk taking a financial hit.

If Wilder isn't a draw, what American boxer is? He sells more tickets and does better ratings than pretty much anybody. It's all relative. If your definition of draw is such that nobody is a draw other than AJ and Canelo, so be it, but Wilder draws more than 99% of boxers.

If he was such a draw and a big star he would have had at least a few PPV fights so far. He's been a pro for 10 years and has 40 fights after all. Yet, not one single PPV fight in his whole career.

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Wilder purse for the Szpilka fight (the fight before Povetkin) was 1.5M. By your logic he got 3 million for that fight. And for the Povetkin fight, which is like 5 times bigger and is by far his biggest and riskiest fight, Dibella/Haymon bids just 5 million, for a purse of just 3.7M for Wilder?? Sorry but your numbers don't add up.

As for as Showtime was concerned, the Povetkin fight wasn't a particularly big fight. A riskier fight? Sure. But it's not like Povetkin had ever been any sort of US attraction. Showtime wouldn't have paid that much more. Wasn't 5x bigger at all in their eyes.

If he was such a draw and a big star he would have had at least a few PPV fights so far. He's been a pro for 10 years and has 40 fights after all. Yet, not one single PPV fight in his whole career.

Haymon is trying to get rid of PPV. Showtime is trying to get rid of PPV. A lot of the fights HBO puts on PPV, Showtime is willing to spend the money to keep those level of fights on traditional Showtime.

The only PPV fighters in the US are GGG and Canelo and some of GGG's PPVs, Showtime would have easily spent the money necessary to keep them on premium cable. So just because Wilder isn't as big of a draw as Canelo doesn't mean he isn't still a bigger draw than 99% of fighters.

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Why did Wilder renege on a paid commentating gig for Joshua vs Parker because he wouldn't be guaranteed access inside the ring after the fight? Why did his team cancel a face to face meeting (which Deontay Wilder's manager posted an admission of on this site) after the 50 million dollar offer? Alexander Povetkin is not a surprise. Everyone has known about that option from the beginning and this is fake outrage about that fight being made. Deontay Wilder is trying to use these seemingly intentionally failed negotiations to boost his status in the sport instead of using the fight itself. It's the same exact thing that Bob Arum and Manny Pacquiao did with the Mayweather negotiations. They never had any intentions of fighting Mayweather the same way that Wilder had no intentions of fighting Joshua. He's just clout chasing.

He was told if he took the ring side commenting gig, he would be allowed to enter the ring and go face to face with AJ. After he accepted that gig, they told him he would not be allowed in the ring. Why would he continue the job if the main reason he took the job is no longer an option? This is well known already and is completely ****** that you are still bringing it up. Either way my time line didn't include anything before Hearns $12.5 million offer, so I don't care about anything before that, because it has no bearing on the negotiations that followed. The meeting that was canceled after the $50 million offer only lasted for 5 days. Wilders team provided proof of funds 5 days after the $50 million offer, and they continued to negotiate with no problems, Hearn himself confirmed as much. The fact that they were negotiating with both Povetkin and Wilder is not a surprise, the fact that AJ already signed to fight Povetkin was a surprise, especially when you consider that Hearn was telling media outlets Wilder needs to sign the contract when he had already informed Finkle that AJ was fighting Povetkin. The last four sentences of your comment is pure opinion and underscores your bias views on the situation, as such it does not deserve a rational response.

Now that I have answered your questions please answer the few (of which there are many) I have already asked, and you glossed over and didn't answer a single one. Please feel free to add facts, as I did in my original post that include an event timeline breakdown. Save me the opinion.

Why did it take Hearn and AJ 24 days to reject that $50 million offer, Even though Hearn basically signaled that they were likely to accept that offer? Why did Barry Hearn advise AJ to delay the Wilder fight? Why didn't Hearn answer Finkles E-mails? Why didn't Hearn include a date and venue on the contract he sent Wilder? Why didn't Hearn just make the corrections on the contract and send it back, instead of not responding and sending a letter stating AJ is fighting Povetkin? Why did Hearn do an interview saying Wilder needs to agree soon when he had already sent a letter to Finkle saying AJ was fighting Povetkin?

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Every AJ fan that starts to realize Hearn was lying and stalling the fight reacts the same way. Instead of admitting they were wrong all along about who was lying and stalling, suddenlly they're "bored," "tired of talking about it," etc and want to end the conversation because the evidence has become so overwhelming.

Erm, no. I was really bored. Wilder is still the fraud, that hasn't changed. But if you want to see something that doesn't exist because it suits your purpose, then by all means, go ahead.

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C'mon Sid, you can come up with something better than that. I respect you man but that was one of your most pathetic reps I've seen.

Work on something, be creative, cause that was just plain sad.

It was just an honest question. Nothing sad about it at all.

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"Forget about the 50 mill."

You'd like me to, but it's what Joshua asked for, and he reneged. The fight was all set to take place in Vegas, and all we were waiting for was Joshua to sign EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID WOULD MAKE THE FIGHT HAPPEN, but for whatever reason he didn't. That's not going to leave my mind anytime soon.

"it was the WBA who said AJ had to make a mandatory."

And we're pretending that this means anything, with all of the mandatory fighters that we've seen take step aside money? We're also pretending that fights get made in a month? Pretty disingenuous stance to take, just to support a fighter. Finkel is on record saying that she sent a response 2 days after receiving the contract, and was waiting on a date and location for the fight, but it never came through, and then the fight got called off completely. So yes, Hearn cancelled after 9 days, using the very poor excuse of handling a mandatory as a way out. Everything is on record, so spin it however you need to. Also remember that all of this happened after Hearn tried to give Wilder LESS than he did Joseph Parker lol

And Wilder reneged on his word when he said it was all about the belts and the legacy and that he'd take what ever was on offer to him.

Why didn't Wilder pay step aside money to Stiverne when no one wanted to watch the rematch?. Hell, not even Showtime wanted to screen it at first. But Wilder went ahead and did it anyway. But there's a difference... Stiverne was **** to begin with so a shot version of himself was worthless. Whereas Povetkin is one of the top fighters in the division.

Is Wilder going to pay step aside to Brezeal and fight a dangerous fighter next? Or is he happy to fight lower level fighters like he has done his whole career?

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It was just an honest question. Nothing sad about it at all.

No, it was pitiful and whiney.
I expect better from you in the future, don't let me down with this kind of girly weakness.

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Erm, no. I was really bored. Wilder is still the fraud, that hasn't changed. But if you want to see something that doesn't exist because it suits your purpose, then by all means, go ahead.

The evidence strongly suggests you are completely wrong, so now you are suddenly 'bored' of the conversation. Convenient.