Haymon and DAZN???

[KTFOKING]

Where did you read that? When the announcement was made, I didn't see anything about exclusive. You could be right. But the WBSS announcement certainly makes it seem like it might not be exclusive.

WBSS to DAZN was on a separate deal from Hearn's.

But if DAZN was to do a deal with Haymon separately, why exactly would they need Hearn? That would be a complete waste of an investment there as Haymon has majority of the best fighters in the world. Even though DAZN reached out to Hearn first, I'm sure Hearn sold them the idea that he would be able to poach away those Haymon fighters by offering them a lot more money than what they are currently getting.

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WBSS to DAZN was on a separate deal from Hearn's.

But if DAZN was to do a deal with Haymon separately, why exactly would they need Hearn? That would be a complete waste of an investment there as Haymon has majority of the best fighters in the world. Even though DAZN reached out to Hearn first, I'm sure Hearn sold them the idea that he would be able to poach away those Haymon fighters by offering them a lot more money than what they are currently getting.

I'm not saying DAZN would or wouldn't do a deal with Haymon. I have no idea. I'm just saying it appears Hearn doesn't have exclusivity and I'm asking what the source is for the claim that he does have exclusivity.

[KTFOKING]

I'm not saying DAZN would or wouldn't do a deal with Haymon. I have no idea. I'm just saying it appears Hearn doesn't have exclusivity and I'm asking what the source is for the claim that he does have exclusivity.

Ah I see. Yes, then the WBSS deal would prove it is not an exclusive deal.

[yammy25]

So if it can’t be done in the U.K. how the heck is Hearn going to do it in an extremely bigger market?


How on earth would a DAZN UK app take off when you have BT and Sky already showing the boxing the British fans already care about..

How on earth would DAZN US take off in America when you have the big 3 Showtime, ESPN, HBO then you have other networks like CBS, FOX, Bounce etc showing the boxing the American fans already care about


You can't launch a ****ing app in the USA just with Eddie Hearns boxing are you ****ing nuts?!

I think I just check mated you? BoxingScene what y’all think?

No.. you've checkmated yourself into looking uneducated. fighters will and have left those networks to fight on DAZN and those that haven't will fight on that platform at times in the US. There's multiple promoters and not all can be in house..unlike the UK where Warren/Hearn fights are rare through dislike and only two networks.

They aren't launching an app with only hearns boxing.. this whole conversation between us started by you acknowledging their picking up of bellator you clown and the probable rights fees for European soccer to be shown in the US of which the cost is much less as it's a foreign territory and a growing market .

Final case in point.. how is Hearn gonna do it in a bigger market? If what he says is to be believed.. by giving you boxing content ( one little aspect of DAZN ) that rivals your cable and astronomical PPV costs for a fraction of the price.

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[LacedUp]

Only if it means we get MORE boxing. Not to replace anything else.

[yammy25]

So if it can’t be done in the U.K. how the heck is Hearn going to do it in an extremely bigger market?


How on earth would a DAZN UK app take off when you have BT and Sky already showing the boxing the British fans already care about..

How on earth would DAZN US take off in America when you have the big 3 Showtime, ESPN, HBO then you have other networks like CBS, FOX, Bounce etc showing the boxing the American fans already care about


You can't launch a ****ing app in the USA just with Eddie Hearns boxing are you ****ing nuts?!

I think I just check mated you? BoxingScene what y’all think?

Green k'd this also for good debate but I'm on my phone and it lets me give the karma but not a reason for it

[KTFOKING]

No.. you've checkmated yourself into looking uneducated. fighters will and have left those networks to fight on DAZN and those that haven't will fight on that platform at times in the US. There's multiple promoters and not all can be in house..unlike the UK where Warren/Hearn fights are rare through dislike and only two networks.

They aren't launching an app with only hearns boxing.. this whole conversation between us started by you acknowledging their picking up of bellator you clown and the probable rights fees for European soccer to be shown in the US of which the cost is much less as it's a foreign territory and a growing market .

Final case in point.. how is Hearn gonna do it in a bigger market? If what he says is to be believed.. by giving you boxing content ( one little aspect of DAZN ) that rivals your cable and astronomical PPV costs for a fraction of the price.

Keep up

Okay so let me comment on the last point that Hearn has stated a few times. He keeps saying he will put up PPV worthy fights that cost $99.99 in the states on DAZN. So lets dissect this quote real quick. First off, the only fights that have cost that much are Mayweather/Pacquiao and Mayweather/McGregor. And those were MEGA worldwide attractions. No one else has fought for that price tag.

And then on to the actual PPV point. Only fighters that fight on PPV are Canelo and then GGG depending on the opponent. That's it. No one else. Not Wilder, not Crawford (did once vs Postol which failed big time), not Lomachenko, not Spence, not Thurman, etc. So what exactly is he saying there? I know he said he would have had Ward/Kovalev type of fight on DAZN, but that is a rarity. Only times they have fought on PPV were against each other. For him to succeed, he needs to get guys like GGG/Wilder/Spence on his network. I would say Canelo, but that just isn't going to happen as he is fighting on PPV for the rest of his career.

[yammy25]

Okay so let me comment on the last point that Hearn has stated a few times. He keeps saying he will put up PPV worthy fights that cost $99.99 in the states on DAZN. So lets dissect this quote real quick. First off, the only fights that have cost that much are Mayweather/Pacquiao and Mayweather/McGregor. And those were MEGA worldwide attractions. No one else has fought for that price tag.

And then on to the actual PPV point. Only fighters that fight on PPV are Canelo and then GGG depending on the opponent. That's it. No one else. Not Wilder, not Crawford (did once vs Postol which failed big time), not Lomachenko, not Spence, not Thurman, etc. So what exactly is he saying there? I know he said he would have had Ward/Kovalev type of fight on DAZN, but that is a rarity. Only times they have fought on PPV were against each other. For him to succeed, he needs to get guys like GGG/Wilder/Spence on his network. I would say Canelo, but that just isn't going to happen as he is fighting on PPV for the rest of his career.

I think this is where the future needs to be looked at and kind of why shaeffer was slagging it off by saying he's taking PPV out of the mouths of fighters who get to that level in the future.

Whether people agree or not.. hearns outlook is that certain fighters aren't promoted aswell as they could be and should be PPV level or could be but aren't or can in the future. So his marketing ploy is to make you believe that if promoted properly by him they could be worth 60/70/80 bucks a fight bit that he's doing you a favour by charging you only x per month for all of these supposed fighters.

Your actual point is completely correct and valid

[sicko]

Honestly, given the size of his Roster yes he could use something like the DAZN to send some of his fighters over for more fights and more activity for those who want to fight more that 2 Times a year. This is why I'm not "AGAINST" DAZN at all and I want it to work out because boxing believe it or not needs more than just ESPN, Showtime and HBO (Sometimes now). However, DAZN working in the US won't be easy because of ESPN+ who allegedly is willing to buy fights from all promoters to put on their Network Ass Well!

Eddie Hearn approach wasn't the best to start this DAZN deal to be honest. Instead of trying to TAKE FIGHTERS AWAY he probably should've tried to work with Haymon as well as others because for DAZN to work in America he is still going to need Dance Partners for the fighters he is able to sign. I don't want DAZN to be another Road Block for Big Fights! If he signs Jermell, does the Jermell Charlo vs Jarrett Hurd fight still happen? So just signing fighters alone doesn't really do anything.

[KTFOKING]

I think this is where the future needs to be looked at and kind of why shaeffer was slagging it off by saying he's taking PPV out of the mouths of fighters who get to that level in the future.

Whether people agree or not.. hearns outlook is that certain fighters aren't promoted aswell as they could be and should be PPV level or could be but aren't or can in the future. So his marketing ploy is to make you believe that if promoted properly by him they could be worth 60/70/80 bucks a fight bit that he's doing you a favour by charging you only x per month for all of these supposed fighters.

Your actual point is completely correct and valid

But that's exactly why he needs to get a hold of the likes of Wilder and Spence. Those are the types of fighters he could potentially turn into PPV attractions. One big problem with that is it will take time for the streaming service to take off. So it is more likely than not a fighter he makes into a PPV caliber fighter is some prospect or a guy just getting into the title hunt that he could build.

I think he believed he could just sign guys off by offering them more money. That didn't quite work out with some of the guys he was after. But doesn't mean it is a failure at this point or anything. He just needs to adjust his plan. What I would do is put on Haymon fighters on the network at first without a contract, and then once they see how much they could make and DAZN is a success, then they would sign with him. The fact he only has a two year guarantee with DAZN hurts his ability to sign fighters. All he could offer essentially is three fight deals.

One problem Haymon ran into and Hearn will quickly find out, really hard to corner a market without having the absolute best fighters on your platform. Haymon wanted to turn the PBC into a UFC type of organization, but the UFC has 90-95% of the best fighters in the world. It truly took off once they bought PRIDE off and had damn near all the best fighters in the world. Haymon by far has the most quality fighters, but doesn't have the truly ELITE fighters and had less in 2015 when PBC took off. If you went back and looked at the P4P lists during that time, he had only Floyd on it and he never fought on the PBC network, only on PPV. Hearn will need to some how figure out a way to get the biggest names and the BEST fighters. How he does that with ESPN being locked up to TR and SHO investing in Al's big names? I have no idea, but that will be up to him to figure out. And ultimately that will decide the fate of Matchroom on DAZN.