Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Responds To Errol Spence's Stance on Promoters

[jdp28tx]

You're right, but don't forget, out of that 3 mil, Crawford also has to pay Arum his cut....whereas Errol actually gets another check.

Things are not always what they appear to be on the surface. I think the kid is doing just fine. He just needs these other "elite" welters to step up to the plate. The other elite welters, with the exception of Crawford, are all Haymon guys. What Errol gets, by signing with Oscar of all people, I'm still scratching my head at.

Spence it too passive. It seems as if he does not care either way if he fights Thurman, Crawford, or any top guy for that matter. The guy just seems apathetic about his career.

[factsarenice]

Oscar is being extremely short sighted. Not EVERY good fighter SHOULD be a ppv king. Not EVERY good fighter in the past was a ppv attraction. Being good isn't the only prerequisite to being a ppv star.

Spike in a C level fighter and everyone knows his name. Ali had the 154lb belt and he's a mullion dollar C level fighter. The common denominator is Oscar, he knows how to position and promote.

[factsarenice]

As usual Oscar is only sharing partial truths. And I get it, he like a lot of promoters today want to sign a free agent like Spence to their promotional stable. But here is a great article to educate a lot of boxing fans on the business and financial side of things. And why a guy like Al Haymon carved out a nice niche for himself representing fighters.

https://entertainment.howstuffworks....g-promoter.htm

Al Haymon is unquestionably holding guys back.

[factsarenice]

I don't like Oscar but as a promoter he knows more than most and he delivers the $$$. Spence should be a big star and so should Wilder. Al Haymon is holding these guys back.

[markther]

Al Haymon is unquestionably holding guys back.

Some fighters may disagree with that. Al Haymon still as a MANAGER has MORE boxing “STARS” than any other PROMOTER. He must be doing something right. I posted (2) lists. When you see the list of his former fighters, only (1) has ever left him. Brewster retired, Librado Andrade retired, Enrique Ornelas retired, Paul Williams retired due to spinal injury, Jirov retired, Vernon Forrest passed away.

He came into boxing in 2000 and his first client was the late Vernon Forrest.

List of active fighters that he had before Mayweather retired, as of 2017:
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Antonio Tarver
Andre Berto
Devon Alexander
Peter Quillin
Shawn Porter
Austin Trout
Jermain Taylor
Adrien Broner
Erislandy Lara
Josesito Lopez
Gary Russell Jr.
Chris Pearson
Keith Thurman
Chris Arreola
Danny Garcia
Audley Harrison
Daquan Arnett
Gerald Washington
Omar Figueroa
Errol Spence
Deontay Wilder
Robert Easter Jr.
Jamel Herring
Edwin Rodriguez
Marcos Maidana
Dominic Wade
Daniel Jacobs
Jermell Charlo
Jermall Charlo
Chad Dawson
Leo Santa Cruz
Alfredo Angulo
Robert Guerrero
Anthony Peterson
Lamont Peterson
Seth Mitchell
Bryant Perrella
Chris Alexander
Dennis Hasson
Amir Khan
Paul Malignaggi
Michael Hunter Jr.
Ryan Karl
Caleb Plant
Jordan Shimmell
Semajay Thomas
Alex Martin Jr.
Marcos Antonio Hernandez
Stephan Shaw
Tommy Logan
John Magda
Gervonta Davis
Kareem Martin
Daniel Prussak
Prichard Colon
Marcus Browne
Terrell Gausha
Rau'shee Warren
Dominic Breazeale
B.J. Flores
Miguel Vazquez
Vanes Martirosyan
Rances Barthelemy
John Molina
Beibut Shumenov
Luis Collazo
Sakio Bika
Tomoki Kameda
Justin DeLoach
Caleb Truax
Roberto Garcia
Andre Dirrell
Mario Barrios
Thomas Williams Jr.
David Grayton
Phillip Jackson Benson
Kyrone Davis
Wale Omotoso
Haskell Rhodes
Javontae Starks
Abner Mares
Andrzej Fonfara
Joshua Conley
Danny Kelly
Ahmed Elbiali
Erick Bone
Javier Fortuna
Jonathan Guzman
Oscar Escandon
Sergio Mora
Jorge Lara
Jonathan González
Patryk Szymanski
Kamil Laszczyk
Leonard Bundu
Earl Newman
Joseph Elegele
Stephen Fulton
Ionut Dan Ion
Koki Kameda
Adam Kownacki
Jarrett Hurd
Travis Kauffman
Sergiy Derevyanchenko
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
Thomas Hill
Malcolm McAllister
Kevin Bizier
Ivan Redkach
John Jackson
Julius Jackson
Tyson Cave
Tony Harrison
Yasmany Consuegra
Domonique Dolton
Erickson Lubin
Dennis Galarza
Dauren Yeleussinov
Juan Carlos Payano
Artur Szpilka
Cesar Seda
Lucian Bute
Ievgen Khytrov
Samuel Vasquez
Carlos Ivan Velasquez
Daiki Kameda
Umberto Savigne
Claudio Marrero
Moises Flores
Samuel Figueroa
Yudel Jhonson
Isiah Thomas
Walter Castillo
Ivan Golub
Tugstsogt Nyambayan
Monty Meza Clay
Kiko Martinez
Gabriel Campillo
Leo Hall
Darwin Price
Steven Ortiz
Danny O'Connor
Mark DeLuca
Ryan Kielczweski
Marvin Sonsona
Maciej Sulecki
Dejan Zlaticanin
Michael Seals
Oscar Rivas
Eleider Alvarez
Artur Beterbiev
Steve Cunningham
Alejandro Luna
Carl Frampton
Chris Colbert
Jamal James
James DeGale
Rocky Martinez
McJoe Arroyo
Gary O'Sullivan
Stephen Ormond
Lee Selby
Emmanuel Rodriguez
Eddie Chambers
Jordan White
Sergey Lipinets

FORMER FIGHTERS:
Lamon Brewster
Paul Williams
Vernon Forrest
Vassiliy Jirov
Lucas Martin Matthysse
Librado Andrade
Enrique Ornelas

[Street15]

Spike in a C level fighter and everyone knows his name. Ali had the 154lb belt and he's a mullion dollar C level fighter. The common denominator is Oscar, he knows how to position and promote.

Why only single out 2 fighters? If those were the only fighters he has, then you would absolutely have a point.

And to be honest, not everyone knows who Spike is. PPV stars are household names to those that don't even care for boxing. Spike is only known to those who watch boxing. And of those people, I'm sure most of them heard about Spike due to him possibly being matched up with Gennady.

Why not mention Falcoa, Quigley, Shabransky? Hell, even Linares, Herrera, Mattysse? Why weren't they able to be made into PPV stars? Even if they were on PPV, why weren't they headliners? Why aren't they ppv "stars"?

Bottom line is this: Oscar can't single-handedly do that, unless you were already on the cusp or have already fought on PPV.

[McNulty]

... And fight who? I already asked you this. Who should Spence fight? Where is Spence's JCC or Pernel W? They don't exist in this climate.

The goal post is exactly where it has been, you just kept missing.

You mentioned a bunch of fighters for De la hoya. To me it meant, if Spence was with a promoter he would have fought those caliber of fighters and being as big as de le Hoya.

Then you soften it to Canelo. Again it meant, if Spence was with a promoter he would have fought the same caliber of fighters and being as big as Canelo.

You even went as far as saying Spence should be at 160. Do you want to see him killed? We all like a good fight but some of us are being realistic.

A better comparison that would have brought less resistance would have been Spence and Crawford.

TR couldn't get Pacquaio for Crawford, they can't get him to fight Garcia, Thurman, Porter, Broner, Khan.... All these are fights that will sky rocket his stock. Crawford and Spence are on the same boat, Crawford just has a slightly better view.

GGG and Rigo have been with promoters. They are also very good fighters, yet most avoided fighters a few years ago.

Fighting good opposition is not as easy as you think. First, those JCC type opposition's don't exist and the ones that do don't want to fight you. Someone was recently offered $50mill pls PPV upside and that was still turned down.

Throwing history and stats into your argument don't suddenly mean you are right even if you don't use it right.

The only thing thats missing here is common sense and critical thinking on your part. Drop the pom poms kid, you look ******.

I didn’t soften shít, you’re soft as a bag of groceries. Canelo is being promoted and fighting great fights, how is that softening anything? It’s called proving a point with historical data.

What do you mean he’ll get killed at middleweight? He fought in the Ams at Junior Middleweight and has 14 pro fùcking fights at JMW. He’s double dipping with the 147 fights. He can most definitely move to MW. All the slurps here talk about how he fùcks up LT HW’s and MW’s in sparring. Did you land on Earth this year?

Crawford has been with Top Rank for 6 years and in that time he’s had his best fights.

Prescott
Burns
Gamboa
Beltran
Lundy
Postol
Molina
Indongo
Horn

Prior to being with Top Rank he fought cans. You might want to drop my jockstrap before you throw your back out.

Rigondeaux is boring for most fans to watch and Top Rank didn't promote him at all despite being promoted by him. Why are you even bringing that up? Talk about not using data correctly!!! Common knowledge!

GGG has been in one weight class his entire career, so yea the options are slim, next!

Who could Spence be fighting?

Broner
Garcia
Pacquiao
Thurman
Porter
Figueroa
Matthysse
Rios
Benevidez
Alexander
Hurd
Lara
Charlo
Khan
Munguia
Trout
Ali
Harrison
Lubin
GGG
Jacobs
Saunders
Andrade
Vanes
Sullivan
Rosado

The list goes on and on. I'm here for intelligent discussion. You haven't provided shít and are repeating yourself like a Parrot.

Spence is making more money than any of the other champions in his weight class.

How exactly is he being mishandled? If you think he's fighting "garbage" opponents, and he's still making more money, that would mean he's being handled brilliantly.

So what? He’s fighting bums and somebody is losing money and over paying him. You know it and I know it. No fùcking way in hell Ocampo brings in millions of dollars for Spence unless someone is lying about his purses or they’re overpaying him banking on futures paying dividends.

Maybe you're not as good of a poster as I thought you were. If Boxing did this as SOP nobody would watch. Nobody but cheerleaders wants to see Spence fight bums. If you can’t see that, I really don’t know what to say.

Fighting bums for millions is great for Spence (if it's even true), but without US THE VIEWERS he ain't shít. If we don't watch, he'll be fighting cans at the dog track

Don't suck your own d*ck bro. Your posts aren't blue chip. The article is about promoters making fighters ppv stars. You tried the angle of DLH becoming a ppv by fighting stiff comp. I said Spence doesn't have that opportunity and asked you to name equivalent fighters to DLH opponents. There is nothing blue chip about drawing a nonexistent parallel to make an obtuse argument that doesn't even align with the article. Promoters mishandle fighters so why make the point? Then again, you claim Spence is mishandled yet can't close the loop with an explanation deeper than he should fight someone with a pulse. So now Brook, Peterson, and Algieri don't have pulses?

I never suck my own ****, ask your lady about that. Brook is a bum thats got one fùcking win on his name so yea that fool ain’t got no pulse. Peterson is old and shot, weak pulse. Algieri is a fùcking 2-bit bum that nobody knew until Arum brought him in for Pacquiao to look good so yea Algieri ain't got no fùcking pulse you pleb.

Take a look at boxrec and 47-60...look at the names. You need me to spoon feed it to you???

Just for you bringing up Algieri as having a pulse you’re out. I can’t perform on this low of level. Sayonara sucker.

[N/A]

So what? He’s fighting bums and somebody is losing money and over paying him. You know it and I know it. No fùcking way in hell Ocampo brings in millions of dollars for Spence unless someone is lying about his purses or they’re overpaying him banking on futures paying dividends.

I responded to the claim that Spence hasn't been handled well. If your claim is that Spence makes millions of dollars fighting bums, that would mean he's actually been handled brilliantly.

Ocampo was an IBF mandatory challenger that was paid peanuts. Spence drew a big crowd and big ratings. He definitely made at least a couple million for easy work.

Maybe you're not as good of a poster as I thought you were. If Boxing did this as SOP nobody would watch. Nobody but cheerleaders wants to see Spence fight bums. If you can’t see that, I really don’t know what to say.

Spence had no choice but to fight Ocampo. It was mandatory. His two previous fights were against the WBA and IBF champions. Your bum narrative doesn't hold up. Spence went overseas to face a dangerous opponent to win his title as mandatory challenger and in his one voluntary defense, he agreed to face a fellow world champion. You can't blame him for the mandatory. He had no control over that.

Fighting bums for millions is great for Spence (if it's even true), but without US THE VIEWERS he ain't shít. If we don't watch, he'll be fighting cans at the dog track

He's quickly becoming one of Showtime's biggest draws. The network is thrilled with his progress. Not sure what you're so upset about.

[mvooom]

The only thing thats missing here is common sense and critical thinking on your part. Drop the pom poms kid, you look ******.

I didn’t soften shít, you’re soft as a bag of groceries. Canelo is being promoted and fighting great fights, how is that softening anything? It’s called proving a point with historical data.

What do you mean he’ll get killed at middleweight? He fought in the Ams at Junior Middleweight and has 14 pro fùcking fights at JMW. He’s double dipping with the 147 fights. He can most definitely move to MW. All the slurps here talk about how he fùcks up LT HW’s and MW’s in sparring. Did you land on Earth this year?

Crawford has been with Top Rank for 6 years and in that time he’s had his best fights.

Prescott
Burns
Gamboa
Beltran
Lundy
Postol
Molina
Indongo
Horn

Prior to being with Top Rank he fought cans. You might want to drop my jockstrap before you throw your back out.

Rigondeaux is boring for most fans to watch and Top Rank didn't promote him at all despite being promoted by him. Why are you even bringing that up? Talk about not using data correctly!!! Common knowledge!

GGG has been in one weight class his entire career, so yea the options are slim, next!

Who could Spence be fighting?

Broner
Garcia
Pacquiao
Thurman
Porter
Figueroa
Matthysse
Rios
Benevidez
Alexander
Hurd
Lara
Charlo
Khan
Munguia
Trout
Ali
Harrison
Lubin
GGG
Jacobs
Saunders
Andrade
Vanes
Sullivan
Rosado

The list goes on and on. I'm here for intelligent discussion. You haven't provided shít and are repeating yourself like a Parrot.

Listen to yourself throw insults all over the place and then you call someone kid. Lol.

You know, just because you have been on this site longer and probably started watching boxing waaaaay before me doesn't mean you have a clue what you are talking about. Stick to watching boxing as a fan and don't analyse, not everyone is an analyst.

Crawford has been with TR for 6 years? But he has been a pro for 10 years so the first 4 years of his career he was fighting bums? So what? Who wasn't? Most fighters fought bums the first several years into the career. Smh.

Spence fought at JMW early in his career, so? He fought some sparring partners not 14 Hurd or Charlo back to back. Even Bellew want nothing to do with some of his fellow HWs.

He is currently chasing some of the guys in WW you mentioned and they don't even mention his name. You think a promoter would do the trick?

Khan and Brook, lovely fight we want to see. 2 guys with same promoter, yet nothing. Also Crawford vs Pacquaio if you need another example.

You said Brook has one win in his career. Brook has a top level promoter who also promotes one of the biggest cash cows today.

You have seen fighters throw belts away, say they are not ready until 18 months time, refuse mega millions, speed up or down weight classes to skip a particular opponent and you think to make fights happen all you need is a promoter.

Soft as a bag of groceries? Even your insults miss. A "bag of groceries" isn't soft, more like a bag of cotton wool.

I know your type, you are Mr Right so here ends this topic between me and you.

[BLASTER1]

Oscar has a good point. I love the way Spence fights but I don't see him getting closer to a PPV star at all. He is Canelo's age or older and has the skills to keep up with everyone, yet he is not become a huge star.

Going by percentages Spence wont become a ppv either way.
I dont think we will keep seeing ppvs in the next 5yrs.
The only ppv star atm is Canelo and maybe Joshua.
Even these 2 dont pull in huge numbers like Floyd did and unless the fighter has the wide spread appeal of a Floyd, casual and hype fans just arent going to pay for a Spence imo.
Dont get me wrong Spence is my man i just think ppvs will be a thing of the past and more app fights will happen.