Comments Thread For: Spence Not Interested In Signing With Arum, De La Hoya or Hearn

[Ilpo]

A proper modern promoter knows exactly how to exploit those two avenues to their max potential.

Obviously. But do you NEED a promoter to achieve the benefits from these outlets? I personally do not think so. If you have a good team and a professional or two to handle these kinds of things, you do not need a huge promocompany to do these things.

Obviously you need to do many things that promoters have traditionally done, but you do not need to sign GPB, TR or Hearn to do those things. After certain point of your career, obviously.

If you are a well known olympian or a big star already in your country etc. you do not need a massive machinery to make you. That is my point.

And Spence is there. He is not tied up in any kind of promotional battles whatsoever. "Oscar doesnt do business with Bob, Bob doesnt do business with Barry, and Barry doesnt work with Al..." -kind of **** sounds pretty familiar to me, atleast.

Being your own master, if you do it well, is better than being tied up with sometimes fragile promotional scene.

[bigdunny1]

Since you're harping on social media so much tell me again why that matters but Garcia's his age doesn't matter? According to you social media follows are important. Yet those follows aren't translating to ratings. Like you said, Garcia has way more followers on social media than Spence but Spence is getting better ratings, selling more tickets, and doing national TV, Print, and Radio shows. But Garcia got more followers doe! Age matters doe!

Oscar can't promote worth ****. Golden Boy has gone to **** since Schaefer left. They have nothing but Canelo and their ESPN cards and HBO cards suck. Golden Boy is a joke. That's why he's been trying to cozy up to Showtime and Espinoza lately. He knows he has nothing other than Canelo, who Schaefer and Floyd built

Now you are taking an extreme that social media is the end and be all to change the argument. I never said social media is the only thing that matters only but it's part of the equation if you are going to be a PPV star. No shyt Spence is drawing better ratings today he's 28 been fighting professionally for 6 years that's a long time to get your name out there to fans and he's just now drawing decent attendance but his social media and tv ratings show how far he still has to go to be a PPV caliber fighter. My point isn't that Ryan draws more today it is that he is drawing FAR more at a younger age now then Spence was as a prospect hell he's drawing larger crowds then Spence was just 3 fights ago on the eve of his first title shot and Garcia is doing that at just 19 years old. He's set up better for future PPV success that's my point.

Go look up the venues and his non existent social media following BEFORE Ryan signed with Golden Boy. He was a stud prospect but nobody cared or followed him and he was fighting in bars in Mexico. Then once he was legally 18 he fought on untelevised undercards at Lodges lol. He signs with Golden Boy and a year and change later he's headlining the Stubhub, prospect of the year by all top media outlets and has 1M followers on Instagram. So what changed? He signed with a top promoter.

Golden Boy can't promote? yet look at Ryan Garcia. And back to Schaefer who had NOTHING to do with Canelo. Canelo has stated numerous times he signed because of Oscar, had little interaction with Schaefer and could of left to Haymon or Schaefer if he wanted but didn't. Hell you pretending Schaefer is so important yet when he launched his OWN promotions over 2 years ago how come NONE of those former Golden Boy fighters signed with him? Look at the young fighters he signed and how seldom they are fighting and how nobody cares like Balderas who was a top Olympian and amateur and signs with Schaefer instead of Top Rank or Golden Boy like the other studs Ryan Garcia, Skakur Stevenson, Michael Conlan, ect. Look where those guys careers are at and look where Balderas is at. Is Schaefer even working with the WBSS anymore last I heard they were upset with him because he didn't deliver his promise to get US TV rights deal. He's been fighting with Hearn who looks like is on the verge of signing to air the WBSS. So what has Schaefer done now that he isn't with Golden Boy anymore? Meanwhile Canelo is a bigger draw today then he was when Schaefer was with them and they signed a deal with ESPN and have already developed Ryan Garcia into the most prized boxing prospect in all of boxing.

And those ESPN shows you say suck funny you stopped posting the TV ratings last year for Golden Boy and PBC on FS1. You remember our debates and how you stopped posting the ratings after Golden Boy started killing them in ratings. Golden Boy finished last year drawing about 200K viewers on average while PBC on FS1 for the same level of fights were averaging 150K. This year Golden Boy is avg even higher about 250K viewers per show on ESPN2 and FS1 is like 100K viewers. If Golden Boy sucks then why do they have higher ratings that keep going up? Meanwhile Schaefer without Oscar's coat tails to ride on has little to no show dates, no tv deal, his time at the WBSS was a failure, he gets a card thrown at him from haymon once in a blue to promote but that's it. He's irrelevant while golden boy is still one of the premier promoters. Schaefer has promoted just 1 event all of 2018 he is really setting the world on fire. lol I said years ago during the breakup he was nothing more then a numbers day to day guy and you can pluck in anybody and do the same job. But without Oscar, Floyd or a figurehead to the company he would be nothing.

Hmmm Schaefer promotions boxrec lol
http://boxrec.com/en/promoter/777380

[Motorcity Cobra]

Now you are taking an extreme that social media is the end and be all to change the argument. I never said social media is the only thing that matters only but it's part of the equation if you are going to be a PPV star. No shyt Spence is drawing better ratings today he's 28 been fighting professionally for 6 years that's a long time to get your name out there to fans and he's just now drawing decent attendance but his social media and tv ratings show how far he still has to go to be a PPV caliber fighter. My point isn't that Ryan draws more today it is that he is drawing FAR more at a younger age now then Spence was as a prospect hell he's drawing larger crowds then Spence was just 3 fights ago on the eve of his first title shot and Garcia is doing that at just 19 years old. He's set up better for future PPV success that's my point.

Go look up the venues and his non existent social media following BEFORE Ryan signed with Golden Boy. He was a stud prospect but nobody cared or followed him and he was fighting in bars in Mexico. Then once he was legally 18 he fought on untelevised undercards at Lodges lol. He signs with Golden Boy and a year and change later he's headlining the Stubhub, prospect of the year by all top media outlets and has 1M followers on Instagram. So what changed? He signed with a top promoter.

Golden Boy can't promote? yet look at Ryan Garcia. And back to Schaefer who had NOTHING to do with Canelo. Canelo has stated numerous times he signed because of Oscar, had little interaction with Schaefer and could of left to Haymon or Schaefer if he wanted but didn't. Hell you pretending Schaefer is so important yet when he launched his OWN promotions over 2 years ago how come NONE of those former Golden Boy fighters signed with him? Look at the young fighters he signed and how seldom they are fighting and how nobody cares like Balderas who was a top Olympian and amateur and signs with Schaefer instead of Top Rank or Golden Boy like the other studs Ryan Garcia, Skakur Stevenson, Michael Conlan, ect. Look where those guys careers are at and look where Balderas is at. Is Schaefer even working with the WBSS anymore last I heard they were upset with him because he didn't deliver his promise to get US TV rights deal. He's been fighting with Hearn who looks like is on the verge of signing to air the WBSS. So what has Schaefer done now that he isn't with Golden Boy anymore? Meanwhile Canelo is a bigger draw today then he was when Schaefer was with them and they signed a deal with ESPN and have already developed Ryan Garcia into the most prized boxing prospect in all of boxing.

And those ESPN shows you say suck funny you stopped posting the TV ratings last year for Golden Boy and PBC on FS1. You remember our debates and how you stopped posting the ratings after Golden Boy started killing them in ratings. Golden Boy finished last year drawing about 200K viewers on average while PBC on FS1 for the same level of fights were averaging 150K. This year Golden Boy is avg even higher about 250K viewers per show on ESPN2 and FS1 is like 100K viewers. If Golden Boy sucks then why do they have higher ratings that keep going up? Meanwhile Schaefer without Oscar's coat tails to ride on has little to no show dates, no tv deal, his time at the WBSS was a failure, he gets a card thrown at him from haymon once in a blue to promote but that's it. He's irrelevant while golden boy is still one of the premier promoters. Schaefer has promoted just 1 event all of 2018 he is really setting the world on fire. lol I said years ago during the breakup he was nothing more then a numbers day to day guy and you can pluck in anybody and do the same job. But without Oscar, Floyd or a figurehead to the company he would be nothing.

Hmmm Schaefer promotions boxrec lol
http://boxrec.com/en/promoter/777380

Aint nobody about to read all your De La Hoya d*ck sucking. He sucks. Golden Boy sucks. He's one KO away from his company going bankrupt. His dumb a** sat down with Arum and let Arum convince him to fire Schaefer and lose the most profitable fighter in sports history. Think of how ****** that is. De La Hoya had Floyd and Canelo at the same time and he ****ed it up.

But Spence needs a crackhead promoter doe!

[WhatDisButtonDo]

I think people not from the USA underestimate how popular boxing is here..it's not UK boxing popular where some fol down the street can sell out an arena, but it's still decent.
A large majority of the average people I talk to have heard of Spence/Crawford. They're both talked about with tons of athletes, they'll be fine.
Oscar definitely can't promote...he's a drug addict and an alcoholic not to mention a sexual deviant..I hope he fixes all those problems but who in the hell would want a guy like that handling your business? Who has oscar made a star out of that wasn't Mexican? It's easy to make a good mexican boxer into a star because they will support em.

[bigdunny1]

Aint nobody about to read all your De La Hoya d*ck sucking. He sucks. Golden Boy sucks. He's one KO away from his company going bankrupt. His dumb a** sat down with Arum and let Arum convince him to fire Schaefer and lose the most profitable fighter in sports history. Think of how ****** that is. De La Hoya had Floyd and Canelo at the same time and he ****ed it up.

But Spence needs a crackhead promoter doe!

you been singing that same song for 4 years that Golden Boy will be bankrupt without schaefer how did that work out? Schaefer left in 2014 when is this prediction going to come true? And why is Schaefer irrelevant while Golden boy without Schaefer is still one of the top promoters in the sport? Canelo is a bigger draw and money maker today then when schaefer was there looks like he made the right decision staying put. They also have the most prized young fighter in the sport. I say they are looking pretty good. Let me know when Schaefer does anything relevant without riding Oscar's coat tails. LMAO

[JuniorTorres720]

I applaud Spence for letting these promoters know that he doesn't need them. I'm sure promoters will help you but Spence is right. He's on Showtime and he's being promoted essentially BY Showtime. People act like he hasn't gotten fights. He fought Brook overseas and beat him. He fought a seasoned vet in Peterson and had a gimme just last weekend. These fights are coming but the only problem with PBC fighters is their inactivity. I don't know if it's the fighters' decision or Al who's not giving them the fights.

[Santa_]

Smart man.

Spence knows where all the big 147 and 154 fights are at.

[mrlopez]

None of these haymon guys will ever be Superstars without a great promoter. Hardcore fans will always know who these guys are, but mainstream will barely...

[N/A]

None of these haymon guys will ever be Superstars without a great promoter. Hardcore fans will always know who these guys are, but mainstream will barely...

Spence is making more money than any Top Rank fighter.

Spence is making more money than any Golden Boy fighter other than Canelo.

Top Rank and Golden Boy both made Spence offers and it was less money than he's already making.

So why does he need a promoter?

[j.razor]

cool, if you dont want to be a superstar thats fine. some people just dont like the fame or the money. stay with uncle al and fight bums.

“Basically, my manager comes to me and says, ‘Do you wanna fight here?’ Or, ‘Do you wanna fight this opponent?’ And I have say-so in it. Everything’s been going good now. I’m getting publicized. I’ve been fighting on TV. My name’s been out there. Why change something? Everything’s going good. Everything’s running smoothly and I don’t believe I need to change anything or I need to add anybody to my team right now. … What could I possibly need a promoter for me to do that I’m not already getting done with the team I have now?”-Errol "The Truth" Spence Jr.

You guys don't get them checks so you guys wouldn't know ****. Guys always saying some dumb **** like, "The player isn't bigger than the sport." I wonder who was the ****** that started that saying. We ARE the sport so how can the sport be bigger than us?!?! Without us there is NO sport! Pay the players, pay the fighters, pay who WE PAY to SEE.