Comments Thread For: Spence Not Interested In Signing With Arum, De La Hoya or Hearn

[Plick647]

if only Mike Tyson had been this smart.

[Dr.Cool]

You, WE the fans more worried about that extra CRAP more than Crawford and Spence Jr are. Both making Great Money already, not everybody have that Obsession that some fans clearly have as far as being "Crossover Superstars" both seem to be more focused on being considered the VERY BEST!

Also going into a ERA where PPV might not be around very long which is why Streaming Deals are being Done so it will NEVER BE another PPV Star as Big as Mayweather ever again!

Yea, I don't give two ****s how much any boxer makes. I want to see the best fight the best. Which is exactly what I said. They need to fight the best.

If they both want to be known as the best, the only way to do that is to fight the best. Which is what I said.

You could be correct that ppv is slowly dying, and you are definitely correct that there will never be another PPV star like Floyd. I guess I should have left the ppv part out.

My point is still valid, though. Winning isn't all they need to do, they need to win against the best opponents possible to be known as the best. Spence seems to want the best, but Bud has never tried to fight anyone better than Postol or Horn. Sorry, but if he really wants to be known as the best, then he has to step up his level of competition. Big time.

[MC Hammer]

I don't care about your excuses Bradley signed with Top Rank to get paid and land on PPVs. That's where the money is.

Haymon didn't get those fights they negotiated those fights outside of Haymon outside of PBC. Golden Boy made flat offers directly to the fighters and they took the deal, Haymon had nothing to do with the promotions or the events. And oddly neither of those fighters seem to have anything to do with PBC since. Khan is now signed with Hearn and tons of rumors that Chavez is now signing as well. Both got paid outside the PBC bubble and refuse to go back signing with promoters to continue landing bigger money fights and potential PPVs that don't appear to exist through PBC.

How the phuk is Canelo only known to Mexicans? I live on the east coast where no mexicans and all fans here talk about is Canelo. Local bars that don't even air boxing only UFC ppvs air every Canelo PPV and they are always packed with not a single Mexican in there. Dude you sound ignorant if you think only Mexicans watch and know who Canelo is. That's like saying only Philipino's in the US know about Manny Pacquaio. Canelo is the biggest star in the sport today.

Ryan Garcia has literally dominated every fighter he's faced. He didn't knock out Velez is the only criticism you can throw at him. But he wobbled and beat him up more then anybody has and white washed him winning every round. Velez has only been beaten by good fighters and nobody has knocked him. What 19 years olds are fighting guys as accomplished as Velez? Hell let's go back to Spence Velez is better and higher ranked at the time he fought Garcia then just about every opponent Spence faced until he fought Algeri and that was only 2 years ago. Spence's last 5 fights is when he started fighting live opponents and he was 26 when that happened. Garcia is 19 and already has a better win then a 26 year old Spence had.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...419-story.html

The article above crushes your first point.

"Canelo's potential earnings from the fight was about $15-20 million.[18] Amir Khan's earnings from the fight was an estimated $13.1 million (£9 million), the highest for a British boxer since Wladimir Klitschko vs. David Haye in 2011."

Haymon seemed to negotiate about 40% for Khan in that one so it doesn't matter who the promoter is, he got his guy a deal.

Just because your little circle knows Canelo doesn't make him famous. He does no interviews, is seen on no TV's outside of his fights and sales from 200-500K, not bad, but no a household name. If anyone's the face of boxing it's Joshua. Being a big fish in a small pond will do that for you.

Devin Haney. And he actually looks impressive doing it. And he wasn't fighting a literal fast food worker coming off of a 2 or 3 year layoff. Garcia was disappointed in his own lackluster performance that night

[ELPacman]

Spence is the Tesla dealer of boxing. NO MIDDLE MAN. The way it should be.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Ryan Garcia is a PROSPECT and 19 years old years away from world champ status. I would hope a 28 year old world champ has better ratings. They are building Garcia to PPV status and giving away tickets in your home town and doing 600K viewers on Showtime is nice. But does that get him any closer to being a viable PPV level fighter? He's on a media tour and yet NOBODY cares and his social media accounts haven't gotten any noticeable bump. There are levels to this and so far Spence has been stuck at the same level that other guys with PBC are at. 1-2M Payday decent but not great ratings on Showtime and nowhere near PPV level where the real money is at. Spence is already 28 and didn't start headlining venues the size that Garcia just headlined until what 1-2 years ago? Garcia is doing that at 19 years old and other older fighters and prospects ain't doing that. He's doing it because he already has a huge following. A following that DIDN'T exist until he signed with Golden Boy 18 months ago. So yeah things like social media followers do matter.

Since you're harping on social media so much tell me again why that matters but Garcia's his age doesn't matter? According to you social media follows are important. Yet those follows aren't translating to ratings. Like you said, Garcia has way more followers on social media than Spence but Spence is getting better ratings, selling more tickets, and doing national TV, Print, and Radio shows. But Garcia got more followers doe! Age matters doe!

Oscar can't promote worth ****. Golden Boy has gone to **** since Schaefer left. They have nothing but Canelo and their ESPN cards and HBO cards suck. Golden Boy is a joke. That's why he's been trying to cozy up to Showtime and Espinoza lately. He knows he has nothing other than Canelo, who Schaefer and Floyd built

[Motorcity Cobra]

who else is a ppv star under haymon other than floyd???

Which one of these other promoters have a PPV star? Don't say Hearn because UK PPV is not American PPV. Even Hearn admitted Joshua isn't big enough in the states yet. De La Hoya has never built a PPV star. Arum doesn't have a PPV star. None of these promoters are doing any better than Haymon is doing right now. The top American fighters, tickets/ratings are Wilder, Broner, Spence, Bud, Thurman, Porter, Mikey Garcia, and Danny Garcia.

The most talked about American fighters are the Charlo brothers, Hurd, and Tank Davis.

[b Murphington]

He doesnt want a long term contract.

There are a lot of advantages to that. Making the crawford fight shouldnt be that hard. If he was signed with GBP for example, or had previously signed with Arum and left him, it would be damn impossible.

I agree. He just has more options with where he's at right now. The only difference is that breaking out into mainstream stardom might be harder, but financially, he should be solid and as far as boxing careers go, he's doing pretty good with where he is at right now. Becoming a boxing household name these days are damn near impossible anyways.

[Sam wattson]

In that case Golden Boy would be a great fit for him. Spence and Canelo can have dinner together eating “contaminated meat.”

Canelo would school and stop errol spence

[Scipio2009]

He did not sellout that tiny arena which wasn't even configured for full capacity and the announced crowd was 3723 let's pretend that fairy tale number is even accurate. You just quoted 6000K to pretend that is a bad crowd (by the way practice what you preach Dan Rafael reported Ryan attendance of 6,625). So what's better 6625 or 3723? That's my point that's the crowd that 28 year old Spence was pulling just 3 fights ago and Ryan is doing much better then that only 19. And I don't care about the bogus numbers that are released Ryan sold more then 5000 tickets. They didn't sell shyt for the Spence fight if the crowd was announced as over 3000 they were lucky if they sold 500 tickets. They handed damn near every ticket out for free. And the fans showed up for the co-main to watch the bytches fight. Heather Hardy local girl from Brooklyn had a bigger and louder crowd for her fight then Spence did for his. My buddy who only went because he was given free tickets was at the fight and told me fans literally got up and left after her fight and didn't stick around for the main event. Spence just started drawing decent crowds and before his last couple fights would of jumped for joy if 6000 fans showed up to see him fight let alone drew numbers like that as a prospect just starting out like Ryan Garcia is already doing.

lol. Let's use Rafael's numbers, no problem. Spence drew 3723, while Ryan Garcia had 6625. The starting price to get into the Ford Ampitheater to see Spence fight (with Heather Hardy on the bill) was $30, while the price to see Ryan Garcia at StubHub started at $10.

If you want to argue, with a straight face, that Ryan Garcia got 75% of the folks who were at his show to pay to see his show, while Errol Spence couldn't get 15% of the folks at his show to pay money, you can keep looking like an idiot.

[Jab jab boom]

Just 3 fights ago Spence was headlining against Bundu in a tiny coney island theater in front of like 2000 fans. LMAO I know that because I have a buddy who was at that fight because they GAVE away tickets for free. 19 year old prospect Garcia sold more tickets and filled a larger crowd then Spence did. Garcia is light years ahead of where Spence was as a prospect hell he's drawing more then Spence did as a title contender. If he's pulling crowds like this and has that many people following him at 19 what do you think he will be drawing once he grabs a world title? Spence is 28 and just started drawing decent crowds.

garcia drawing power at 19 has little to do with his promotor and everything to do with the fact that he's Mexican American and looks like a boy band member. Mexican American fans are thirsty for a star so they'll jump on any bandwagon. The kid isn't even all that good but benefits from being born into a heritage that has obsessive fans. It's the same with Canelo, he's not the best fighter in the world but he's the most popular mainly because he's Mexican d looks like his last name should be McCain