Comments Thread For: Ward: What More Does Crawford Have to Do to Be P4P Number 1?

[Muz]

Excellent post

LOL. Ward is confusing Crawford with Lomachenko. "He’s a three-division world champion and, if I’m not mistaken, if I read it properly, he’s done it with the least amount of fights."

I agree with Ward for once. Loma is P4P #1. Ward also said beating the best competition, which again refers to Loma, not Crawford. GRJ, Linares, Rigo, and Walters are all better than anyone Crawford has fought. That's FOUR top wins ahead of Crawford in terms of resume, not even just 1 or 2 (which would still be significant). So Loma isn't just ahead of Crawford, he's lapped Crawford. Crawford needs to actually start fighting top guys for a change and string together 4 wins against top guys, then he can at least say he's tied with Loma, although even then, Loma just beat a way bigger opponent with elite speed and reach, and Crawford still isn't facing bigger guys. They're both champs in their 3rd weight class but Crawford started artificially low, Loma didn't. To truly match Loma going to 135, Crawford really needs to fight at 154 at minimum, and if Loma fights and beats Mikey who is WAYYY bigger, Crawford would need to fight a prime top 5 P4P middleweight or super middleweight to match that.

That might seem crazy to people, but it's not a knock on Crawford, it just exemplifies how difficult what Lomachenko has been doing is, and how crazy the idea of Loma-Garcia is and what an insane win that would be if Loma can pull it off. If Crawford wants to be #1 P4P and Loma can keep doing amazing things, then Crawford will also need to do amazing things, and beating Jeff Horn does not qualify.

Loma used to walk around below 140, but now he says he walks around at 145 pounds. Mikey Garcia was recently over 170 pounds according to the man himself. So Loma would be fighting a naturally 25 pound guy. Crawford as we know walks around at least 175 pounds, so for him to beat a naturally 25 pound bigger man, heck, it looks like I undershot it big time when I said middleweight or super middleweight. 25 pounds bigger than 175 is 200 pounds. Light heavyweights walk around at 200 pounds, sometimes less.

So if Loma beats Mikey, Crawford would honestly need to beat Dmitry Bivol, or a top light heavyweight like that, who can still make 168 healthily like Mikey can make 135. That's why I say Bivol because I think he can make 168 healthily, so he's the best comparable to Mikey, although again, I think most people have Mikey higher on their P4P list. But that's the type of challenge Crawford would have to take to match Loma challenging himself against the much bigger Garcia, IF Loma can pull it off which is a big if, and I just don't see Crawford ever going up to super middleweight seeing as how long it took him to start fighting guys his own size at 147. So, it might be time to put a lid on the Crawford P4P talk because it just does not seem like he's shooting for greatness the way Lomachenko is.

If you're willing to take the challenges to put yourself in the conversation, then why should we waste time talking about it?

It really does put into perspective just how underrated Loma truly is, to see it clearly like that. Crawford fighting smaller guys his whole career while even ggg is fighting bigger guys st middleweight compared to himself. GGG has given up 15-20lbs to both Jacobs and Canelo.

[chrisJS]

Gamboa was highly overrated. Indongo just got exposed Badly as a paper champ by Prograis. Postol was an average at best In Ukraine, yet Crawford ran from him. Diaz just got exposed again.


Crawford resume is by far the worst out of any top figgter in boxing. Period

Worst? It's an undefeated record that includes the cleaning out of two divisions including winning all four titles in one of those. 3 or 4 of those were against undefeated world champions. That's good work considering it's a 2014-2018 stretch and he took on everyone that he possibly could.

That's your contention on Gamboa, Postol, Indongo and Diaz. I prefer to go more on what was said pre-fight. Judging by your tone I'm guessing you were in the "Crawford is ducking Postol" crowd and thought he had his hands full. Postol was not average. He was a clearly skilled and avoided fighter coming off an excellent win. He didn't "run" from him. He boxed the breaks off him and was walking him down late. ****, he knocked his ass down twice and rocked him also. Gamboa was a 2-1 favorite and had been ranked #1 at 126, 130 and even fought a few fights at 135. He was clearly talented.

Indongo I don't see as a special fighter but he was a unified champion who'd gone and scored two dominant wins on the road as an underdog and Bud broke him. It's possible also that Prograis is a beast himself and that Indongo coming off a devastating loss shouldn't have accepted such a fight on short notice. Diaz also deserved the W over Peterson and then Bud beat him to a pulp. He recently lost a close decision.

Crawford is ruining some guys and perhaps some guys weren't as good as they had looked in certain fights. They can't all have been bums nor all world beaters. Felix Trinidad was a guy who used to crush fighters and they'd never be the same. Revisionist history doesn't make me re-think the Reid and Vargas wins.

[Muz]

Ward Is a white wanting to be black

Lol. brotha backing a brotha. What has he done till now? Whom has he defeated. Let him dance with Danny Garcia, or Spence or Thurman, then we would see.


Thurman would give him a boxing lesson

Ward still trying to pretend he is all ****** thug despite being Irish. Ward is a fraud both in and out of the ring. The bruvvas always got to stick together since propaganda and BS is the only thing in their culture they got.

[Gooch Manicotti]

I do think it's a little early to say he's the best p4p. He is definitely knocking on the door though. Having said that if he gets in the ring and beats Spence then without question he would be #1p4p. I think whoever would win that fight would be #1p4p

[Muz]

Nope................. Now the media is pushing the Crawford agenda hard.

Yes, that agenda is important in ******* America where they need a black man to symbolize strength in something, since black culture has nothing besides sports to achieve in. It's a sad culture that needs propaganda to attract its members. ******* America on display.

[HURTFEELINGS]

Lomachencko could always move up to 47 to fight Crawford. I mean, Rigondeaux did move up two divisions to fight him. Then we’d know for sure who’s better.

NOOOOOO.....this is america jack, only CERTAIN people are supposed to get that kind of credit, its a great win for HIM, but youre asking this guy to do what OTHERS have done, he got an incredible amount of praise for beating someone TWO weight classes below him Floyd beat JMM the guy who nearly killed Pac, and was #2 p4p at the time.....but that wasnt sh|t. Remember when Floyd was "boxing" peoples socks off it was boring, Now ITS AWESOME.......TBE BEAT MORE WORLD CHAMPIONS THAN ANYONE.....but "he didnt fight nobody". Now anyone Loma fights was the greatest competition ever...... The same arguments some of you used against Floyd are coming back to haunt you guys

[chrisJS]

Ward still trying to pretend he is all ****** thug despite being Irish. Ward is a fraud both in and out of the ring. The bruvvas always got to stick together since propaganda and BS is the only thing in their culture they got.

I really don't care for Ward but I've never see him pretend to be ****** and ****** and thug isn't limited to one race.

I get it. There are a lot of pro black/anti-white posters but you aren't exactly fair either. You seem very pro white or at least very anti-black.

I kind of miss the days when Boxing was more about just discussing the true merits of fighters and actual math-up's rather than seeing so many folks feel the need to defend and (much worse) hate another race. I don't like pro-anything but I somewhat get it but anti-anything is a big no no.

[Muz]

Come on....this is america, if youre white.........they rate/judge you different. ie Mikey beat Salido, Loma LOST to Salido.....they rant about loma having multiple championships in multiple divisions, Mikey has more.......You cant have a legit P4P convo because WE KNOW the scales are tilted incredibly and why. 11 fights and HE LOST one of those........to the incredible skilled boxing savant Salido.......the divided states of america

******* America props up black accomplishments like they are something extraordinary when in actuality any village idiot over time has done it. America has bent over backwards to prop you up, with quotas and fake accomplishments. The fact you think differently is exactly the type of mindset they want you people to have. The victim class of culture. Entitlement has defeated you.

[BBBRANDZ]

People forget that Crawford wrestled as an amateur. Not surprising that he manhandled Horn.

[chrisJS]

******* America props up black accomplishments like they are something extraordinary when in actuality any village idiot over time has done it. America has bent over backwards to prop you up, with quotas and fake accomplishments. The fact you think differently is exactly the type of mindset they want you people to have. The victim class of culture. Entitlement has defeated you.

Both of your racial biases and agendas suck.

This is just a sport. It shouldn't be so deep.