Comments Thread For: Results Create Movement: BScene Pound for Pound Update

[BO$$NELO]

The List:

1 Loma
2 Crawford
3 Rungvisai
4 Mikey G
5 Ca$hnelo
6 Inoue
7 LSC
8 Usyk
9 Groves/Smith winner
10 Jack

On outside looking in are Golovkin, Joshua, Frampton, Kovalev, Jermall Charlo, Bivol, Thurman

[Redd Foxx]

I'd have to flip Crawford and Loma right now. After the Horn fight, I'll listen to Crawford arguments again but not right now, after Loma beat Rigo and Linares.

[kafkod]

Here we go again with a lopsided list and not enough credit for the right fighters.

#1 - Crawford

Why? Who's he beat that he gets put at #1? Postol? Carnelo has decisively beaten way more top tier competition and you got him at 7?

#2 - Lomachenko

Same question - why? Rigo? Who was blown up and two weights up? Linares who everyone agreed was well past the sell date? Meanwhile there's one way to beat the guy.

#3 - GGG

Why? The two top competitors he faced, he struggled with both.

#4 - Mikey

You can't be serious. For a Broner win? Certainly not Lipinets who is a B- level fighter.

#5 - Rungvisai

You got this man at #5 when he TWICE beat people's P4P #1 AND beat Estrada - he beat two guys people felt were the cream of the crop at SFW - and has an absolutely frightening KO ratio. Seriously?

#6 - Inoue

Look, I've got no problems with him being on the list, but 6 is too high at this point. Who's his best win, Nieves?


#7 - Carnelo

No. Just no. There's NO logic at having him anywhere under Top 5.


#8 - Spence

This is where Inoue should be and Spence should take Inoue's spot.


#9 - Santa Cruz

Everyone's got him listed and I just don't get it. Why are people continuing to overrate his Frampton wins? Got a gift against Mares, other than that...Frampton is all he has. He should not be on this list. #12 maybe.


#10 - Usyk

People are overrating this guy too. Shouldn't be on the list.



So IMO that's two that shouldn't be on the list. Meanwhile, who SHOULD be on the list:

Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn - Beat the best active fighter at 147, he's undefeated in his campaign

Deontay Wilder - his record speaks for itself and a knockout win over Luis Ortiz should have earned him a spot.


This list looks like it's Cliff's favorite fighters rather than a quantifiable list of achievements. Like this quote:



You say this yet Jeff Horn who fought "the consensus best available" and beat him doesn't get ranked at all, but Usyk who hasn't is on the list. Then you got Chocolatito who got schooled then slept on the "could easily be here" - no! He's not in the conversation AT ALL anymore. Jermall Charlo who hasn't fought anybody worth mentioning, Jermell Charlo who is a shadow of his brother, etc.


Here's "The List".

#1 - Deontay Wilder - Why? His record speaks for itself. # of fights, # of wins, # of knockouts. Even the one that wasn't a knockout was decisive. He hasn't had a fight that people questioned whether he should have won it.

#2 - Carnelo Alvarez - Only ever lost to the best to ever do it, beat world class opposition otherwise, often in dominant fashion.

#3 - Errol Spence - Why 3? Not enough fights or contenders to be any higher, but 6 fighters in a row that had never been stopped, he stopped. Walked through a fighter Shawn Porter struggled with, walked through a fighter that took Manny Pacquiao the distance. Went over to Kell Brook's backyard and stopped him for the belt.

#4 - Srisaket Sor Rungvisai - Why? Beat everyone's P4P #1 TWICE, beat Estrada, a very intelligent, dangerous fighter with a solid record. He can't be higher because there are 4 ways to beat him.

#5 - Terrence Crawford - Why 5? Yes, he cleaned out a division. Yes, he's a solid fighter. Yes, he's undefeated. But the majority of his accolades were against B-levels.

#6 - Gennady Golovkin - Why 6? He refuses to fight outside of the single weight class, and the two times he stepped up, he struggled. Otherwise he's got a solid resume with no questionable outcomes except for Jacobs.

#7 - Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn - Beat the "consensus" best 147'er unanimously (technically twice), undefeated, solid knockout wins, but he hasn't beaten anyone else worth noting which is why he isn't higher.

#8 - Mikey Garcia - Undefeated, solid resume, good wins.

#9 - Vasyl Lomachenko - Solid resume, very good wins, but there's already one way to beat him which is why he isn't higher.

#10 - Anthony Joshua - Good wins, solid resume, but hasn't challenged himself outside of Clinchko.

You gave me a good laugh with this, cheers!

[The Big Dunn]

What a terrible list. Youve got someone number 1 who hasn't actually beat a world class fighter, inoue number 6 who hasn't fought anyone at world level yet. How can Thurman not be on there either, same with kovalev. And I nearly spat out my drink when I saw jermalls Charlo on the could be list. Basically u love undefeated guys who smash up b and c level fighters

You fell in love the exact same thing and then took it to the next level by naming yourself after the fighter doing that. why do you have an issue if someone else does?

[The Big Dunn]

As for the list, good to see Usyk and Sor getting respect although both might deserve to be higher. If you moved Loma to #1 after him beating Linares that would be ok. I don't think Canelo belongs on the list.

[aztec_warriors]

Clowns

Crawford & Spence have too weak of a resume to be anywhere near the top.

[Just looking]

Surprised Badou Jack ever made it to the list

[Just looking]

My list

1. Inoue
2. Loma
3. Crawford
4. Ggg
5. Spence
6. Rung
7. Kovalev
8. Bivol
9. Mikey
10. Wilder

Very good and I could use it but I think Gassiev has a place on the top 10. Other than it, it's my list

[mlac]

Crawford number 1, yet his best win is about to get KO'd by a 12 fight prospect in a couple of weeks

[Legendary Hater]

Crawford is the clear #1 now due to the fact Lomachenko is out indefinitely due to his shoulder injury...

That also means Lomachenko shouldn't even be on a list (as out "indefinitely" fighters of the past have always been treated)...

The young man will first have to be cleared to fight and then look like he hasn't missed a step against his tune up to start back in the Top 5 on his comeback trail...

That's just the way it is...always been that way....no fighter gets a pass in that situation.