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[just the facts]

What a terrible list. Youve got someone number 1 who hasn't actually beat a world class fighter, inoue number 6 who hasn't fought anyone at world level yet. How can Thurman not be on there either, same with kovalev. And I nearly spat out my drink when I saw jermalls Charlo on the could be list. Basically u love undefeated guys who smash up b and c level fighters

Yet when your love interest (ggg)was crushing one C/D level fighter after another, you were making one post after another how he was P4P number 1.

[Stephankotyk]

Here we go again with a lopsided list and not enough credit for the right fighters.

#1 - Crawford

Why? Who's he beat that he gets put at #1? Postol? Carnelo has decisively beaten way more top tier competition and you got him at 7?

#2 - Lomachenko

Same question - why? Rigo? Who was blown up and two weights up? Linares who everyone agreed was well past the sell date? Meanwhile there's one way to beat the guy.

#3 - GGG

Why? The two top competitors he faced, he struggled with both.

#4 - Mikey

You can't be serious. For a Broner win? Certainly not Lipinets who is a B- level fighter.

#5 - Rungvisai

You got this man at #5 when he TWICE beat people's P4P #1 AND beat Estrada - he beat two guys people felt were the cream of the crop at SFW - and has an absolutely frightening KO ratio. Seriously?

#6 - Inoue

Look, I've got no problems with him being on the list, but 6 is too high at this point. Who's his best win, Nieves?


#7 - Carnelo

No. Just no. There's NO logic at having him anywhere under Top 5.


#8 - Spence

This is where Inoue should be and Spence should take Inoue's spot.


#9 - Santa Cruz

Everyone's got him listed and I just don't get it. Why are people continuing to overrate his Frampton wins? Got a gift against Mares, other than that...Frampton is all he has. He should not be on this list. #12 maybe.


#10 - Usyk

People are overrating this guy too. Shouldn't be on the list.



So IMO that's two that shouldn't be on the list. Meanwhile, who SHOULD be on the list:

Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn - Beat the best active fighter at 147, he's undefeated in his campaign

Deontay Wilder - his record speaks for itself and a knockout win over Luis Ortiz should have earned him a spot.


This list looks like it's Cliff's favorite fighters rather than a quantifiable list of achievements. Like this quote:



You say this yet Jeff Horn who fought "the consensus best available" and beat him doesn't get ranked at all, but Usyk who hasn't is on the list. Then you got Chocolatito who got schooled then slept on the "could easily be here" - no! He's not in the conversation AT ALL anymore. Jermall Charlo who hasn't fought anybody worth mentioning, Jermell Charlo who is a shadow of his brother, etc.


Here's "The List".

#1 - Deontay Wilder - Why? His record speaks for itself. # of fights, # of wins, # of knockouts. Even the one that wasn't a knockout was decisive. He hasn't had a fight that people questioned whether he should have won it.

#2 - Carnelo Alvarez - Only ever lost to the best to ever do it, beat world class opposition otherwise, often in dominant fashion.

#3 - Errol Spence - Why 3? Not enough fights or contenders to be any higher, but 6 fighters in a row that had never been stopped, he stopped. Walked through a fighter Shawn Porter struggled with, walked through a fighter that took Manny Pacquiao the distance. Went over to Kell Brook's backyard and stopped him for the belt.

#4 - Srisaket Sor Rungvisai - Why? Beat everyone's P4P #1 TWICE, beat Estrada, a very intelligent, dangerous fighter with a solid record. He can't be higher because there are 4 ways to beat him.

#5 - Terrence Crawford - Why 5? Yes, he cleaned out a division. Yes, he's a solid fighter. Yes, he's undefeated. But the majority of his accolades were against B-levels.

#6 - Gennady Golovkin - Why 6? He refuses to fight outside of the single weight class, and the two times he stepped up, he struggled. Otherwise he's got a solid resume with no questionable outcomes except for Jacobs.

#7 - Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn - Beat the "consensus" best 147'er unanimously (technically twice), undefeated, solid knockout wins, but he hasn't beaten anyone else worth noting which is why he isn't higher.

#8 - Mikey Garcia - Undefeated, solid resume, good wins.

#9 - Vasyl Lomachenko - Solid resume, very good wins, but there's already one way to beat him which is why he isn't higher.

#10 - Anthony Joshua - Good wins, solid resume, but hasn't challenged himself outside of Clinchko.

This list is not worth time you have spent on it)

[Shadoww702]

Loma made 2x P4P caliber fighters quit, beat another very decisively and just knocked one out with a body shot. He's no.1

Lol @ Crawford who has beaten a few B level guys and is hyped beyond belief for it. Ridiculous

I guess Russell Jr. is top 30 P4P??? or close enough... I usual!y dont rate amateur fights but he smoked my boy Oscar Valdez

[Larry the boss]

What a terrible list. Youve got someone number 1 who hasn't actually beat a world class fighter, inoue number 6 who hasn't fought anyone at world level yet. How can Thurman not be on there either, same with kovalev. And I nearly spat out my drink when I saw jermalls Charlo on the could be list. Basically u love undefeated guys who smash up b and c level fighters

You just described GGG's career

[Shadoww702]

sht my bad your high as *** if were talkin Walters???

[Combat Talk Radio]

And if you go by whoever gets their hands raised, I guess you also saw Bradley beat Pac, Willimas beat Lara, pac beat Marquez in their third fight, and Trinidad beating ODLH.

You saw those outcomes too, regardless of whether of whether you agreed with them.

"At the end of the day", who's hand gets raised? That's what matters. So it's up to each fighter not to leave things to judges if they can't CLEARLY convince them.

Given this, if there's at least one way to beat you, there's no way I can consider you #1. Everything else is subjective.

[HandsofIron]

1. GGG
2. Loma
3. Crawford
4. Mikey
5. Canelo
6. Rung
7. Inoue
8. Spence
9. Santa Cruz
10. Usyk

[NC Uppercut]

I saw jermalls Charlo.

Sounds like a decent bloodline on a pit... yea I got some of jermells charlo pups for sale, crossed with Razors Edge and Indian’s Bolio

[Boxing Goat]

You just described GGG's career

If they are ranked top 5 in the division it's a moot point. GGG beat the 2nd and 3rd best fighters in his division. That's all that really needs to be done by any champ after about 19 defenses.

[BO$$NELO]

1. Loma (Made a P4Per QUIT)
2. Crawford
3. GGG
4. Pednelo
5. Spence

3, 4, and 5 are H O R R I B L E.

Gennady has 40 fights with 5 opponents former/current/future champions. People dont understand how bad that is.

A strong case could be made that he lost one of/both fights against Danny and Ca$h.

Yet some people think hes an ATG MW. Strangest thing in last 5 years. Beaten nobody, ducked real fights w/ Sergeiy and Andrade (champion) and one of his 5 "champion" opponents was a 147 pound fighter.

Ca$hnelo is my favorite fighter, but I'm not going to pretend hes the best. Hes a top 10 PFP fighter, but hes not 3, 4, or 5. With that being said Canelo is also definitely a superior PFP fighter than Gennady as hes faced far better competition through more than one weight class. Canelo has taken fights at disadvantageous weights (152 for Floyd and 164 for JCC and 155 for Cotto) while Gennady has required every opponent to meet him at 160 (rejected Brooks offer of 157 and forced him to go to 160 and rejected Ca$h proposal too...forcing 160).

The notion that Errol Spence is on any fans PFP list is comical. Danny Garcia is more worthy of PFP...Spence has done N O T H I N G and hes almost 30 years old. Good, competitive fight with Brook, but far from impressive. Stopped a fighter who moved up 13lbs (in his 30s) and then moved back down 13lbs...first 8 rounds were 4-4. Brook gassed - which happens when you jump weight classes.

I'll post my list later. Golovkin isn't on it. Spence isnt on it