Comments Thread For: WBC Prez: Wilder-Joshua Deal Will Be Tough To Make

[Ray*]

ok clearly your a wilder fanboy but look at it properly and sensibly and you will know AJ holds the cards. Wilder has neither the fanbase or resume behind him to force anything different. Joshua has 3/4 belts, Wilder has one; he’s unified twice and has rapidly flew up the rankings since starting his pro career.

He can dictate what he wants, so if he says it must happen under Hearn terms and under UK then Wilder has no choice if he wants the fight

Both fighters make comments that they didn't back up, Wilder also said no dodging, no ducking, don't hide behind promoters or money, i would take whatever, i would go to the UK etc...Well he was offered 12.5m to come over here and he didn't want to know.

So am much as i give AJ grief for wanting to have home advantage, i think Wilder wanted the same thing. But because AJ is the A-side we get to criticise him more.

[evets]

I know why people say it but.

Saying AJ does not need Wilder is untrue so long as AJ keeps spouting his legacy nonsense. To take him at his word, he wants what Wilder has therefore he DOES need him. Not financially, but still.

[Cinci Champ]

Still can't see passed '$50 mill ' and I'll sign tomorrow from AJ. and then .....I want the fight in the UK. and business man Hearn wants to run it.

AJ. is the man with the most belts so I see why he thinks it should happen at home but they've both fooked up here and have been seen as two bluffers who were found out and are now really looking for a sharp exit.

Hearn is as transparent as glass and his silly old man should just go sleepy's and stick to snooker or darts .They are holding on the their main prize and taking away what we want.

agreed the problem is the fight will make more money in the usa so wilder even giving joshua 50 likely makes more on back end in the usa alot more. so not only is joshua taking a major cut so is wilder. if the fight happens in the usa espn first take u name it will be all over it and turn it into a legit mega fight.

[Manlikefemi]

ok clearly your a wilder fanboy but look at it properly and sensibly and you will know AJ holds the cards. Wilder has neither the fanbase or resume behind him to force anything different. Joshua has 3/4 belts, Wilder has one; he’s unified twice and has rapidly flew up the rankings since starting his pro career.

He can dictate what he wants, so if he says it must happen under Hearn terms and under UK then Wilder has no choice if he wants the fight

GTFO of here, Joshua said 50M and he will take the fight. He had a serious look on him, Wilder somehow came up with the money and Hearn admitted it was a real legit offer. Joshua is a damn right lier, all because he dosent want to TRAVEL, Now why is that ? For 90K Fans he dosent even know...ROIDS and USADA comes to mind...

[Vinnykin]

None of those names are champions though.
My first prediction was that the fight would happen not next, but after their next fights so I'm still on track for that. If you're defending not unifying the belts for 4-5 fights from now, and the guy considered by most to be #2 in the division, then what are you doing? As a boxing fan you don't get to spend any of his millions.

I do want the fight, but the fact is AJ doesn't need to bend to Wilder's demands, it is what it is, lots of fights out there for AJ and ones that will satisfy his fans, Povetkin is better than Wilder IMO and can possibly chin AJ, it's a good fight. Whyte sells itself in the UK, Fury is a much bigger fight for AJ than Wilder is, and those 3 fights are all top names and fights.

It's obvious who needs who here..... but I hope the fight happens next or the fight after.... we don't always get what we want.

[Manlikefemi]

Well we will agree to disagree. Outside of America, fans across the world know who is in charge here.

Money and Buisness dictates everything. As everyone has been saying for quite a while, if Joshua wants to be GLOBAL not LOCAL, the US is Waiting. He got offered 50M GURANTEE, even Pacquaio didnt get that against Mayweather in 2012. UnderArmour and Showtime are two of AJ's Biggest Backers they will be advising him to go to Vegas and get that Belt instead of pandering to drunk fans

[lion33lit]

aj said it himself....

''show me the 50 mil. ill SIGN TOMORROW.''

he was just kidding ???

Joshua said, "If it is a $100 million dollar fight and they are happy with 60-40, I'll take 50-50. Give me $50 million dollars up front and I SWEAR I'll take that fight tomorrow"......"They're not making offers like that, but they're talking about it, so its not real...".....Joshuas bluff was called.....now he'll take approx $10 million less to fight in front of a 99% UK crowd.....he wasn't "kidding" then and he's not kidding now. Master Hearn does not want his robot to lose, because its his major source of income, so he'll try his slick hardest to get EVERY ADVANTAGE POSSIBLE, even if it means going back on their word is the format.

[Vinnykin]

That's a damned good point. If this fight doesn't get made it will leave Wilder in a really weak position. What big names would take on Wilder for $2m when they could fight AJ for 3/4/5 times as much? He'll just end up eating mandatories which few people will be interested in and struggling to get the really big names into the ring (without taking a pay cut on what is already a fairly small pot).

Team Wilder need to make this fight happen because:

if they lose - they still make their biggest payday (we know it's gonna be $12.5 at the very least so a split representing $20m is likely to be negotiable). Wilder still has a very entertaining style so a loss is unlikely to dramatically affect his future earning potential.

if they win - they've just been given the keys to the money factory and Wilder becomes one of the biggest names in sports.

As I see it Here's what Team Wilder need to do:
Make it very clear that they're willing to travel to the UK to fight then if Hearn doesn't give them a fair offer take it to the public again. If Hearn tries to low-ball then AJ's reputation (and Hearn's) will be tarnished.

But to be clear, the risk-reward factor being as it is, Wilder shouldn't worry about breaking the bank with this fight - he should be thinking about the potential riches he'll make if he wins (making history in the process).

I know some people will cry about this because it will sound like I'm backing Hearn (which I wouldn't do); but I would have taken the $12.5m offer and just said

"I'mma knock your ass out and then I'll be the ruler of the division"

AJ would have been legally locked down to a contract and if AJ had squirmed a way out of the fight whilst being under contract then he would be exposed as a ducker to the whole world... ergo he would be forced to fight and Wilder would have his shot at making history and making bank. Personally, I think AJ is willing to fight anyway, but it would guarantee the fight which Wilder has been talking about being desperate for for so long

I've been saying for ages that Wilder isn't just fighting for money, he's fighting for AJ's unified belts, the #1 status, AND the potential to be the biggest name in sports and make history, it makes no difference to Wilder's fanboys.

AJ's ducking, Wilder is ducking, they are both trying to get the best deal possible etc etc

I'm just stating facts. Most of AJ's fans are casuals, he has big names and fights lined up for the next year to 15 months and massive money as well, AND the fight fans in the U.K will be buzzing for the Fury fight by next Summer, there's only so long Wilder can plant his feet here. If he doesn't take the offer to fight next in the U.K, he has to take the offer by the end of the year.... The Whyte fight will be just as big if he beats Pulev and gets mandatory status, and AJ will make more due to those mandatory splits with the IBF, the Fury fight is just a way bigger fight than Wilder, end of.

[EnglishOxide]

I know why people say it but.

Saying AJ does not need Wilder is untrue so long as AJ keeps spouting his legacy nonsense. To take him at his word, he wants what Wilder has therefore he DOES need him. Not financially, but still.

If Wilder fights Bumzeale and Kownacki, and Joshua goes onto fight Povetkin, Fury, Whyte I think Joshuas legacy is pretty sound without that WBC belt.

History will say that Wilder held that belt hostage.

[skinnystev]

the fight is hard to make because "fast eddie" and the underwearsalesman make it that way