Comments Thread For: Six Fighters Agree To Join Eddie Hearn In DAZN Deal

[Warrior Scholar]

Curious who he has in mind.

Also, get Mark Too Sharp Johnson to commentate. He had a run on showtime and was absolutely excellent at commentating. Like, the best I’ve seen from a fighter of I’m being honest.

Until you watched Big George

[IMDAZED]

I've listed numerous things in this thread already, but you only talk about the first thing I mentioned so idk what you want me to do list all the sh^t I said each time in every post or what.

The first thing was the only one that was specific. Pointing out shortcomings of others isn't a solution.

But as I said if you think Hearn, Arum & Gomez are putting in the same effort with Matchroom, Top Rank & Golden Boy promotion shows as Lou DiBella, Tom Brown & Marshall Kaufman & the PBC parade of promoters bless your lil heart I guess.

Now we're moving the goalpost. I didn't ask who is putting in the most effort. I'm asking what would a "real" promoter do, specifically, that a fake promoter hasn't done for the Charlo's. Specifically.

That comment about Oscar & Floyd isn't wrong, but I think Errol is discounting the reality is they were built up for a decade plus with a promoter & only went on their own when they were virtually too big to fail with their own promotion. I mean thats why I say the biggest guys in the game like Joshua & Canelo are giving money away by not freelancing out the promotion of their fights, probably with the same guys doing that job now.

Errol is making significantly more money than he would if he had a promoter. He just won his world title a year ago. Let's see where he is at age 30. And then we can compare it to Loma and Crawford, two 30-year-olds who have had a promoter for a long time, are considered two of the very best and (surprise) aren't any closer to big money or PPV.

It'd be weird if you did. Thing is Arum with his sneaky comments has helped Loma get bigger. With his opponent selection at different points in his career. Arum is doing something here that has a blueprint that he's done for many a fighter in the past. If you don't see it fair play. There are more important things in boxing then the promoter blueprint of moving a guy with hype & a narrative that catches the eye & heart of the fans. But don't deny its not there I guess is the main dispute we are in disagreement about if you think Arum & Tom Brown are playing the same game.

You can't quantify how Arum's comments have made Loma bigger. None of us can. What we do know is that Loma is probably making less than many of the top PBC fighters. They don't see any residuals, have no other ******s to cull cash from, nothing except a purse.

I agree. Even cats thinking Hearn was a super god-like promoter had to re-access after the Jacobs & Big Baby lackluster showings.



HIGHLY doubt that, but feel free to prove it if you wanna. I'm sure you can find a ton of clips on Hearn talking about non-Matchroom fighters cuz his ass talks so much, but he's hyping his own guys more or doing that Arum trick with mentioning his fighters with other great retired fighters or comparing fights he's about to put on with other great fights & things like that.

I'm speaking specific to this market (U.S.). He spends his time talking about fighters he doesn't have and what he would do if he did. I'm shocked Miller and Jacobs aren't superstars.

I guess if you are talking about paydays sure. But Tank gots fame. More people know Tank than most of these other guys you bring up. And he's the only one signed to a promoter. And his promoter is moving him in a more intelligent way with a trajectory & narrative for his career. Meanwhile Garcia gets his opponents 3 weeks out half the time.

Thurman is more popular than Tank. So is Swift. So is Spence. So is Wilder. So no, that's not true.

And Spence is a guy who I think should be the biggest guy of all right now, but because PBC sidelines him for months at a time for no reason that I can grasp & he's a quiet, respectful guy who could be the Sugar Ray Leonard type good guy figure of this era, but he's sitting at home watching football instead. Its a f#cking waste & as a big Spence fan its disappointing he's being misused & underutilized.

Let's inject some facts here. No narrative. Spence will be fighting in a couple weeks. It'll be his second fight this year and third in 13 months.

Hey like I said if you wanna compare the money of this PBC guy with this non-PBC guy at a similar level I got zero doubt the PBC guy is cashing bigger checks. Thing is & as I've mentioned for years now is these PBC guys aren't being used to their max level & therefore are giving up millions on the other side of them being made more popular then they are if they were being promoted correctly & having some thought put into their forward & continued trajectory towards a real attainable goal.

If these PBC guys aren't being used to their max level, what does it say about the guys with promoters who make less?

And its f#cked up cuz there is no roster with more talent & more potential, but there just is a like of direction & leadership in moving these guys well to reach their max height in the game. And it very well maybe that this is all because of the Ali Act & despite every other dipsh^t on this site saying Haymon is a promoter he's not a promoter thus he can't make the calls with opponents like a promoter could. Its a breezy situation for the fighter cuz they can fight the least boxer for the most money every time out if they so choose to, but its ultimately limiting their upward potential in boxing.

Another debate for another day -- one we can certainly discuss once we wrap this one up.

[Warrior Scholar]

The first thing was the only one that was specific. Pointing out shortcomings of others isn't a solution.

Now we're moving the goalpost. I didn't ask who is putting in the most effort. I'm asking what would a "real" promoter do, specifically, that a fake promoter hasn't done for the Charlo's. Specifically.



Errol is making significantly more money than he would if he had a promoter. He just won his world title a year ago. Let's see where he is at age 30. And then we can compare it to Loma and Crawford, two 30-year-olds who have had a promoter for a long time, are considered two of the very best and (surprise) aren't any closer to big money or PPV.



You can't quantify how Arum's comments have made Loma bigger. None of us can. What we do know is that Loma is probably making less than many of the top PBC fighters. They don't see any residuals, have no other ******s to cull cash from, nothing except a purse.



I'm speaking specific to this market (U.S.). He spends his time talking about fighters he doesn't have and what he would do if he did. I'm shocked Miller and Jacobs aren't superstars.



Thurman is more popular than Tank. So is Swift. So is Spence. So is Wilder. So no, that's not true.


Let's inject some facts here. No narrative. Spence will be fighting in a couple weeks. It'll be his second fight this year and third in 13 months.


If these PBC guys aren't being used to their max level, what does it say about the guys with promoters who make less?


Another debate for another day -- one we can certainly discuss once we wrap this one up.

Your reference to this situation not only makes you biased, but it makes you a clown. Ask for promoting advice somewhere else, but not on boxingscene.. So, now that you have your 'advice' why don't you hit the bricks, you worthless prick. You have a beach ball sized set of balls to answer this, but go ahead, play w me if you want to, keep smiling

[Eff Pandas]

The first thing was the only one that was specific. Pointing out shortcomings of others isn't a solution.

Like I said I could inventory every thing I know about promotion behind the scenes & then guessimate what Hearn is doing & what DiBella isn't when he's getting his fee for PBC fights, but I'm guessing that'd go nowhere with you & it'd be highly speculative & time consuming towards no real end.

Now we're moving the goalpost. I didn't ask who is putting in the most effort. I'm asking what would a "real" promoter do, specifically, that a fake promoter hasn't done for the Charlo's. Specifically.

A promoter working towards your goals 24/7/365 cuz he's invested in you isn't moving the goalpost. And thats just another thing Hearn, Gomez & Arum offer that DiBella, Brown & Kaufman don't.

Errol is making significantly more money than he would if he had a promoter.

Show me proof of this. And even if he is I'd argue he could be bigger right now & should be bigger right now so he'd be getting paid more so even if a "real" promoter is taking more of a cut then a "PBC" promoter it'd still net Spence more money overall to have a "real" promoter.

He just won his world title a year ago. Let's see where he is at age 30. And then we can compare it to Loma and Crawford, two 30-year-olds who have had a promoter for a long time, are considered two of the very best and (surprise) aren't any closer to big money or PPV.

Horrible comparison. Loma was a amateur forever & is a lil guy + a foreign guy. Only two guys (Lennox + Manny) become legit PPV draws as non-Latino foreigners so the deck is stack against Loma.

And Crawford was held back for years before he got his shot so idk why we are comparing him to Spence either.

I'd compare Spence more to someone like Floyd who had a medal + lotsa hype + talent coming into the pro game. When Floyd got put on, Floyd took kept his eyes on the prize & was active. He defended his title within weeks of winning it back in the day. Meanwhile Errol is just laying in bed in his PJ's for 7 or 8 months or w/e. And for what? Why didn't he fight? Cuz while Haymon can get Spence paid better than anyone else he can't get him paid THAT often since he gots few TV dates that support paying Spence THAT much.

So maybe Spence would make the same or a lil less for DAZN, but he's fighting 9 times in 3 years while he's fighting 6 or 7 times in the same period & likely vs more bs opponents thats not gonna up the ante on how important Spence should be seen by hardcore & casual fans to ensure he makes BIGGER money in the near future.

You can't quantify how Arum's comments have made Loma bigger. None of us can. What we do know is that Loma is probably making less than many of the top PBC fighters. They don't see any residuals, have no other ******s to cull cash from, nothing except a purse.

Sure, but we all see Arum at work. Sh^t on Arum all you want. Hell I enjoy sh^tting on him cuz I don't really like the guy while respecting him a great deal, but there is a method to this promotion thing & getting your guys name in the ether. And Arum is a mfing pro at it. So measurability or not its a thing & it works cuz Arum's guys get more attention for doing less than probably any other promoters fighters. I don't believe thats just a coincidence.

I'm speaking specific to this market (U.S.). He spends his time talking about fighters he doesn't have and what he would do if he did. I'm shocked Miller and Jacobs aren't superstars.

Well in fairness this is a influx period of time as we've learned since this DAZN thing got revealed & I don't think the positioning of Jacobs (a top guy to fight Canelo & GGG) or Big Baby (being talked about as a next opponent for Joshua or was just a week or two ago) puts Hearn in a position to do much besides keep them busy over putting them in good fights. Too much risk & too much blown opportunity to go hard right now.

Plus there is a learning curve issue I'd argue with the US market that Hearn would wisely be careful with to not spend too much or to try to hard when he's not sure of all the rules yet on this side of the pond.

Personally I don't think its a good look to have so many masters or partners, however you wanna view it. He's got Sky, he's got HBO & now he's got DAZN. He's gonna need to curb his associates sooner rather than later I feel like.

I don't disagree.

Let's inject some facts here. No narrative. Spence will be fighting in a couple weeks. It'll be his second fight this year and third in 13 months.


If these PBC guys aren't being used to their max level, what does it say about the guys with promoters who make less?


Another debate for another day -- one we can certainly discuss once we wrap this one up.

Again like I said if you are looking for max paydays today then yea PBC pays more. But cuz they suck at moving fighters toward any real upward mobility they STAY at that level longer & they have limited ability to climb up the ranks to bigger paydays. I don't foresee a $10M/fight PBC guy ever with how they move guys with lil sense or logic or with maximum upside considered on the boxing side of the framework. So the Joshua's & Canelo's of boxing will always come from non-PBC sides of the streets.

[MC Hammer]

Jermell made 100k just recently against Hatley.

Can you show me one fight where either guy's bout agreement is anywhere near 750k? I don't think so. Jermall made a career high 500k last time out as far as I know.



What the hell do you think prize fighters fight for dummy? THE PRIZE

Yet your dumbass is saying they shouldn't try to get it all from Hearn if he wants to use their stock to promote his little app project

[IMDAZED]

Like I said I could inventory every thing I know about promotion behind the scenes & then guessimate what Hearn is doing & what DiBella isn't when he's getting his fee for PBC fights, but I'm guessing that'd go nowhere with you & it'd be highly speculative & time consuming towards no real end.



A promoter working towards your goals 24/7/365 cuz he's invested in you isn't moving the goalpost. And thats just another thing Hearn, Gomez & Arum offer that DiBella, Brown & Kaufman don't.



Show me proof of this. And even if he is I'd argue he could be bigger right now & should be bigger right now so he'd be getting paid more so even if a "real" promoter is taking more of a cut then a "PBC" promoter it'd still net Spence more money overall to have a "real" promoter.



Horrible comparison. Loma was a amateur forever & is a lil guy + a foreign guy. Only two guys (Lennox + Manny) become legit PPV draws as non-Latino foreigners so the deck is stack against Loma.

And Crawford was held back for years before he got his shot so idk why we are comparing him to Spence either.

I'd compare Spence more to someone like Floyd who had a medal + lotsa hype + talent coming into the pro game. When Floyd got put on, Floyd took kept his eyes on the prize & was active. He defended his title within weeks of winning it back in the day. Meanwhile Errol is just laying in bed in his PJ's for 7 or 8 months or w/e. And for what? Why didn't he fight? Cuz while Haymon can get Spence paid better than anyone else he can't get him paid THAT often since he gots few TV dates that support paying Spence THAT much.

So maybe Spence would make the same or a lil less for DAZN, but he's fighting 9 times in 3 years while he's fighting 6 or 7 times in the same period & likely vs more bs opponents thats not gonna up the ante on how important Spence should be seen by hardcore & casual fans to ensure he makes BIGGER money in the near future.



Sure, but we all see Arum at work. Sh^t on Arum all you want. Hell I enjoy sh^tting on him cuz I don't really like the guy while respecting him a great deal, but there is a method to this promotion thing & getting your guys name in the ether. And Arum is a mfing pro at it. So measurability or not its a thing & it works cuz Arum's guys get more attention for doing less than probably any other promoters fighters. I don't believe thats just a coincidence.



Well in fairness this is a influx period of time as we've learned since this DAZN thing got revealed & I don't think the positioning of Jacobs (a top guy to fight Canelo & GGG) or Big Baby (being talked about as a next opponent for Joshua or was just a week or two ago) puts Hearn in a position to do much besides keep them busy over putting them in good fights. Too much risk & too much blown opportunity to go hard right now.

Plus there is a learning curve issue I'd argue with the US market that Hearn would wisely be careful with to not spend too much or to try to hard when he's not sure of all the rules yet on this side of the pond.



I don't disagree.



Again like I said if you are looking for max paydays today then yea PBC pays more. But cuz they suck at moving fighters toward any real upward mobility they STAY at that level longer & they have limited ability to climb up the ranks to bigger paydays. I don't foresee a $10M/fight PBC guy ever with how they move guys with lil sense or logic or with maximum upside considered on the boxing side of the framework. So the Joshua's & Canelo's of boxing will always come from non-PBC sides of the streets.

Well let’s see what happens. It’s interesting how each fighter has their own story. As you can see with Crawford, there’s always a reason why or why not someone becomes a star. Having a promoter doesn’t guarantee anything. Not have we really been able to define what separates them in today’s compartmentalized world.

The bottom line is, we’re in no position to say a fighter has a low IQ if they don’t take Hearn’s deal. They have actually been under promoters before. They actually listened to the offers. So they are much more informed than we are. And some are actually fairly smart. So whatever they decide won’t be just based on them being dumb.

[LacedUp]

Yet your dumbass is saying they shouldn't try to get it all from Hearn if he wants to use their stock to promote his little app project

You simply don’t get what I was saying.

[Eff Pandas]

Well let’s see what happens. It’s interesting how each fighter has their own story. As you can see with Crawford, there’s always a reason why or why not someone becomes a star. Having a promoter doesn’t guarantee anything. Not have we really been able to define what separates them in today’s compartmentalized world.

Well nothing is guaranteed promoter or nah. Medal or nah. Haymon as a manager or nah. Whatever or nah. But its not for nothing that the last guy to become a star without a promoter was Sugar Ray Leonard & that was in the 1970's. Everyone else I'm aware of who became a star did so with a promoter since. Anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here.

Thats not to say its impossible to become a star without a promoter. I'm very curious how far Devin Haney can get on his own in what I see as a interesting lil experiment, but the odds are stacked against him or anyone else who's not built a name for themselves already I feel like. I think to get somewhere without a promoter you need a Olympic pedigree to start with to be able to come into the pro game with some juice.

The bottom line is, we’re in no position to say a fighter has a low IQ if they don’t take Hearn’s deal. They have actually been under promoters before. They actually listened to the offers. So they are much more informed than we are. And some are actually fairly smart. So whatever they decide won’t be just based on them being dumb.

Just to put the context of my low IQ line in context he's my original statement about it.
[qoute]If Hearn doesn't get 4-6 big name free agents then boxers are at a all time low in IQ. Too much money, too much opportunity to be promoted on a level they never have, too much chance for being a leader in something bigger, too little at risk if sh^t goes south.[/quote]

So I think what you are saying is false. I think there are enough guys in less than great positions with PBC or other free agents or soon to be free agents that they would be STOOPID, with two O's to not sign with DAZN. They could automatically become the face of the potential future of ******ing live sports. They likely just got their face on a bunch of advertisements. They will be fighting 3, maybe 4 times a year. They will be getting paid equal or better its safe to assume. They will be looked after, guided & be a real commodity for someone with skin in the game that will shine back on them insuring they keep getting paid more as they keep winning & gaining ground with main****** fans &/or with the new fans this ******ing platform is likely to bring to boxing.

And like I said to if this goes south its not gonna eff guys up THAT bad. They got paid. They got some good more notable fights probably. But hey DAZN goes under in 2yrs & then they can go right back to free agency & keep chugging along like they were. They maybe even more valuable at that point & garner more money off of the better activity + better W's they got in their time away.

Its a win win for the guys who take this opportunity who aren't getting king treatment or moved as well as they could be with PBC or on their own. And mainly I'm thinking Spence & the Charlo's are guys who need to strongly consider jumping ship to DAZN. To me with Haymon as your manager & Hearn as your promoter you got two of the strongest players in the game today doing what they do best on your team. Its gonna be hard for you to come up with an L with those guys backing you.

[evets]

Thanks ImDazed and Panda enjoyed reading.

[Chrismart]

Hearn was asked about signings in the video he did last night.
It sounds like he said the fighters he's signed will be at, or spoke of, at the July press conference when they announce Dazn's first couple of shows, about 6 or 7 fighters.

He said they will announce some world champs, maybe '2,3 or 4'. Interesting if true, I wonder if 'regular' champs are in that equation? He also said former champs, big names and prospects.

He also spoke about some american amateurs singing up to matchroom earlier in the interview, no names mentioned however.