Comments Thread For: Six Fighters Agree To Join Eddie Hearn In DAZN Deal

[R_Walken]

PBC has been around for 3 years. I've seen lil brand building. In fact even as a PBC fan I think they've had more money & have done less brand building with so much money then anyone in boxing since I've been watching boxing. In fact a lot of the stuff they tried to do to build the PBC brand & specific fighters has been awful & poorly planned. That ****** ass classical music song being #1 probably.

PBC fighters expecting results is starting to become the definition of insanity. Time for more cats to jump ship with a real promoter. Whoever does is more likely to be better off. And worse case they'll be back in 2yrs if Hearn sh^ts the bed to be poorly promoted by PBC again.

Cant really agree with this post

PBCs top end fighters have by and large increased their profiles or at the very least maintained it since the PBC inception
Wilder
Charlos
Spence
Broner
Danny Garcia
Mikey Garcia
Thurman
Porter
Santa Cruz
Badou
Hurd
Benevidez
Jacobs
Tank

I don’t get how you think it’s been this huge failure when almost all of their top end guys profiles have risen

NO other stable has even come close to raising as many of their fighters profiles

Main Events still has Kov stuck where he is after 3 years and no one else with the exception of Bivol

Loeffler still only has Golovkin

GB hasn’t done anything Canelos popularity hasn’t grown maybe Ryan Garcia to some extent

TR has done a good job with Loma , Valdez , Zurdo, Conlan who else . I don’t think Crawford’s profiles has risen all that much in 3 years

What makes you believe these fighters profile will rise under Hearn , Jacobs been a disappointment and his buzz has decreased under Hearns watch now he won’t even have a established boxing TV channel to back him it’ll be a unproven ******ing network

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Cant really agree with this post

PBCs top end fighters have by and large increased their profiles or at the very least maintained it since the PBC inception
Wilder
Charlos
Spence
Broner
Danny Garcia
Mikey Garcia
Thurman
Porter
Santa Cruz
Badou
Hurd
Benevidez
Jacobs
Tank

I don’t get how you think it’s been this huge failure when almost all of their top end guys profiles have risen

NO other stable has even come close to raising as many of their fighters profiles

Main Events still has Kov stuck where he is after 3 years and no one else with the exception of Bivol

Loeffler still only has Golovkin

GB hasn’t done anything Canelos popularity hasn’t grown maybe Ryan Garcia to some extent

TR has done a good job with Loma , Valdez , Zurdo, Conlan who else . I don’t think Crawford’s profiles has risen all that much in 3 years

What makes you believe these fighters profile will rise under Hearn , Jacobs been a disappointment and his buzz has decreased under Hearns watch now he won’t even have a established boxing TV channel to back him it’ll be a unproven ******ing network

Arguing how PBC fighters should be mega superstars (funny how that doesn’t apply to others) is passe at this point. The argument rages on as each of those top fighters grow and grow in star power.

[Holler]

Why do people always say this when talking about how quality a promoter is? A promoter should be putting on high quality shows that ARE the star not moving guys cleverly through the ranks to create a superstar. Superstars are molded in fire not Arum'd through rankings & found as the #1 contender for vacant titles far too often.

I think fans got stockholm syndrome with what boxing should be sometimes we've lived in a f#cked up backwards boxing world for so long.

This is so spot on. It's the malaise at the heart of boxing.
I had to quote it because it deserves a wider audience, worthy of a thread of its own probably.

[Eff Pandas]

PBCs top end fighters have by and large increased their profiles or at the very least maintained it since the PBC inception

Raising profiles is one thing. You get two solid guys in the ring together & I can pretty much guarantee you the winners profile will be raised. I'm talking about legit guys who've caught the attention of the public. And all I see it Tank having done that in 3yrs & thats cuz he gots Floyd pushing & promoting him.

Meanwhile all the forward movement all these other guys get is off of their own voice like Wilder & the Charlo's. And then they await some opponent who gets the nod 3 weeks before the fight like its a fight thats gonna matter. Granted they've gotten better with this for Wilder & the Charlo's recently, but only recently has that happened & most guys on the roster get some random TBA 3 weeks out opponent thats gonna do nothing for them & steers their narrative in no sorta real direction or has a story to it.

I don’t get how you think it’s been this huge failure when almost all of their top end guys profiles have risen

If I said huge failure I was off, but I do think its been a failure with its goal of getting a TV deal & with doing right by the Haymon roster...well with everything except getting paid. I think Haymon makes sure his guys get paid. But the problem is I think he or these fly by night Promoters haven't given them the hype & narrative they need to INCREASE their paydays & maximize their long term upside I'd argue. So sure they are getting more money then other guys at or around their position, but they are forgoing their chances for the biggest money down the line if they were promoted to maximum effort.

And honestly I'm disappointed in the results cuz I was a "who needs a promoter guy", but now after seeing the way PBC has stalled so many guys or kept them at the status quo I think the incentive needs to be altered for these PBC promoters or you gotta get to the Oscar, Floyd or Cotto status before you can go the promoter yourself route with the success one would want.

NO other stable has even come close to raising as many of their fighters profiles

Again rising profiles is one thing, getting guys to their maximum position by hyping them correctly & telling their story in a way that gets more fans interested in them is a whole other thing.

And Haymon gots the biggest roster in maybe the history of boxing so yes I hope he has raised more profiles.

Main Events still has Kov stuck where he is after 3 years and no one else with the exception of Bivol

Being among the faces of HBO isn't THAT bad a position lets be real. Should he get more money? Probably...hell definitely w/o looking at his last few paydays, but his status in the game is very solid & its a historically respected position.

What makes you believe these fighters profile will rise under Hearn , Jacobs been a disappointment and his buzz has decreased under Hearns watch now he won’t even have a established boxing TV channel to back him it’ll be a unproven ******ing network

I wouldn't argue Hearn has dropped the ball with Jacobs & Big Baby thus far. But I would give him some leeway there as he's still trying to bust into the US market & now one can assume he was working on this DAZN deal for the duration of his time promoting Jacobs + Big Baby which while a problem & not a good look is something that can & does tend to happen when something so big is in the works.

As far as if Hearn can make these guys bigger stars I'm not necessarily saying he will. Most guys don't become stars. Sometimes they lose that big fight that'd have made them a star. Sometimes their personality conflicts with the public at large. Sometimes all sorts of things can happen. No one can assure anyone of stardom. Hearn couldn't even assure Joshua of stardom, but lets not act like there aren't key attributes that some guys, like Joshua, have in spades that make the trip to stardom of less stress & without as much drama.

But I do feel like Hearn will make more guys bigger than they are then PBC will cuz he'll add all the components he's added in the past to his cards & he'll put everything into making them have their maximum chance at becoming the face of DAZN or even American boxing potentially. I don't think DiBella or Tom Brown or any of these part time PBC promoters will be thinking around the clock of ways to make Shawn Porter or Danny Garcia bigger than they are then Hearn would.

[Eff Pandas]

For all the talking he does, he barely discusses Jacobs and Miller. His talking about himself hasn’t helped them either. Maybe it’s a bit more micro than just making noise in a tech age filled with nothing but.

I wouldn't disagree with you Jacobs & Big Baby haven't gotten the attention or hype they need, but I do suspect there is a learning curve that mighta been steeper than Hearn was ready for with entering the US market. I also think the fact we now know this DAZN deal was being discussed during this period of time did nothing to help Hearn track better in the US market or give Jacobs & Big Baby a better account with his first shows.

But again I don't see how a promoter staying relevant in the media is a problem. Sure Eddie is getting some caliber of fame off of it & I highly doubt he dislikes doing all the talking, but its not hurting his fighters either when he's talking about them to anyone who'll listen & is likely building up his network in the US so he'll have a nice list of numbers & emails to go to when he needs someone to hype up the next Jacobs or Big Baby fight.

[Eff Pandas]

I didn’t ask you to list the 5,000 things a promoter does. I asked what a so-called real promoter does that isn’t being done by the ones who promote Charlo.

Your response was, and is, that they would speak on their behalf. In other words, a job that can be done by a publicist, social media manager, manager etc.

If there is anything else of significance, feel free to share.

I've listed numerous things in this thread already, but you only talk about the first thing I mentioned so idk what you want me to do list all the sh^t I said each time in every post or what.

But as I said if you think Hearn, Arum & Gomez are putting in the same effort with Matchroom, Top Rank & Golden Boy promotion shows as Lou DiBella, Tom Brown & Marshall Kaufman & the PBC parade of promoters bless your lil heart I guess.

These same fighters have also been free agents for years and yet we’ve seen more fighters cross over from having a promoter to not having one than vice versa. As Errol Spence said, “why would I sign with Oscar or Floyd when they both thought it best to do it without a promoter?”

That comment about Oscar & Floyd isn't wrong, but I think Errol is discounting the reality is they were built up for a decade plus with a promoter & only went on their own when they were virtually too big to fail with their own promotion. I mean thats why I say the biggest guys in the game like Joshua & Canelo are giving money away by not freelancing out the promotion of their fights, probably with the same guys doing that job now.

Really, I don’t watch Lomachenko because I’m blown away by Bob Arum at a press conference. Canelo doesn’t interest me because Oscar’s soothing voice compels me to.

It'd be weird if you did. Thing is Arum with his sneaky comments has helped Loma get bigger. With his opponent selection at different points in his career. Arum is doing something here that has a blueprint that he's done for many a fighter in the past. If you don't see it fair play. There are more important things in boxing then the promoter blueprint of moving a guy with hype & a narrative that catches the eye & heart of the fans. But don't deny its not there I guess is the main dispute we are in disagreement about if you think Arum & Tom Brown are playing the same game.

You can argue that Hearn is a different beast but America is a different beast too.

I agree. Even cats thinking Hearn was a super god-like promoter had to re-access after the Jacobs & Big Baby lackluster showings.

In fact, even before DAZN, he spent more time talking about other fighters than he did his own.

HIGHLY doubt that, but feel free to prove it if you wanna. I'm sure you can find a ton of clips on Hearn talking about non-Matchroom fighters cuz his ass talks so much, but he's hyping his own guys more or doing that Arum trick with mentioning his fighters with other great retired fighters or comparing fights he's about to put on with other great fights & things like that.

Finally, Tank is doing great. But not as good as Spence, Broner, Wilder, Thurman and Garcia, for instance.

I guess if you are talking about paydays sure. But Tank gots fame. More people know Tank than most of these other guys you bring up. And he's the only one signed to a promoter. And his promoter is moving him in a more intelligent way with a trajectory & narrative for his career. Meanwhile Garcia gets his opponents 3 weeks out half the time.

And Spence is a guy who I think should be the biggest guy of all right now, but because PBC sidelines him for months at a time for no reason that I can grasp & he's a quiet, respectful guy who could be the Sugar Ray Leonard type good guy figure of this era, but he's sitting at home watching football instead. Its a f#cking waste & as a big Spence fan its disappointing he's being misused & underutilized.

The reality is...you don’t know how well these guys are doing. But as mentioned, nearly all of them have been under a promoter before, have listened to the new deals coming their way now, and will make an informed opinion. Perhaps what they do suggests more about what we don’t know than what we do.

Hey like I said if you wanna compare the money of this PBC guy with this non-PBC guy at a similar level I got zero doubt the PBC guy is cashing bigger checks. Thing is & as I've mentioned for years now is these PBC guys aren't being used to their max level & therefore are giving up millions on the other side of them being made more popular then they are if they were being promoted correctly & having some thought put into their forward & continued trajectory towards a real attainable goal.

And its f#cked up cuz there is no roster with more talent & more potential, but there just is a like of direction & leadership in moving these guys well to reach their max height in the game. And it very well maybe that this is all because of the Ali Act & despite every other dipsh^t on this site saying Haymon is a promoter he's not a promoter thus he can't make the calls with opponents like a promoter could. Its a breezy situation for the fighter cuz they can fight the least boxer for the most money every time out if they so choose to, but its ultimately limiting their upward potential in boxing.

[Outworn]

����✍️ Eddie Hearn says he is confident/hopeful he can sign "figurehead" Mikey Garcia for DAZN and said he will make Deontay Wilder an offer to fight Dominic Breazeale on DAZN for twice his current earnings, if he doesn't face Anthony Joshua next. [@IFLTV]

— Michael Benson (@MichaelBensonn) June 1, 2018

[Stinger1]

The failure of PBC is not getting the fighters active enough and therefore the casual boxing fan can't remain connected to a fighter. Fighting once or twice a year doesn't build momentum. If a casual fan heard about the next big thing Errol Spence going to England and knocking out a world champion, he's far more likely to stay engaged if he had fought again soon. He beat Brook and should of been out again in showcase fight in September. Instead he didn't fight until January when he could of easily fought in September and January. Sadly its the same story with a lot of PBC fighters. The once thing that is exciting about Hearn/DAZN is his fighters will box guaranteed 3 times a year.

[Eff Pandas]

����✍️ Eddie Hearn says he is confident/hopeful he can sign "figurehead" Mikey Garcia for DAZN and said he will make Deontay Wilder an offer to fight Dominic Breazeale on DAZN for twice his current earnings, if he doesn't face Anthony Joshua next. [@IFLTV]

— Michael Benson (@MichaelBensonn) June 1, 2018

Well Joshua vs Wilder definitely isn't happening next now. Got Povetkin basically agreed to it sounds like & Hearn gots designs on Wilder's next move, which I doubt Wilder would take, but we shall see cuz I think Hearn doesn't want Joshua vs Wilder yet so we won't be seeing it yet.

[Outworn]

Well Joshua vs Wilder definitely isn't happening next now. Got Povetkin basically agreed to it sounds like & Hearn gots designs on Wilder's next move, which I doubt Wilder would take, but we shall see cuz I think Hearn doesn't want Joshua vs Wilder yet so we won't be seeing it yet.

Yeah that what i thought too. He want to build up AJ/Wilder even more. Just have to see if Wilder will sign with Hearn but my guess is a no too.