Comments Thread For: Is There Any Doubt That Lomachenko Is #1 Pound For Pound?

[daggum]

The writer says " a win agains a much bigger oponent ", BS Linares was not that much bigger even though he was at his natural weight, yes but they seem to exaggerate everything Loma or GGG do. GGG is legit yes, but somehow they want to praise " white " guys. ( GGG is slavic and Korean, not too white there ).

luckily trump didn't know that otherwise he wouldn't have posed for that photo. ggg you got lucky!

[Shadoww702]

Salido was excessively holding at the end too. Why not brig that up? Salido three probably more than 100 low blows. It was cowardly to fight a guy in his second fight like that after not making weight by some distance and not stepping on a scale next day. He then couldn't beat Rocky Martinez with a fair playing field.

I really don't feel sorry for Loma on the weight issue after bringing 1 guy up 2 full weight classes and another one up 1 in back2back fights. I also don't like how Loma grabs his opponents arms and yanks down all his weight on them like he's trying to dislocate them. I expect one of these days him seriously injuring an opponents shoulder doing this...

[Shadoww702]

Who cares about number of fights. He’s thirty. He doesn’t get a pass just because he chose the beat up on teenagers into his mid twenties.

This is true.

[Scipio2009]

Your comments are generally on point but all this..... blueprint to beat Loma is nonsense. He got caught with a good shot, that’s it. Broner caught Porter with a similar shot in the 12th rd. **** happens it’s boxing. Kovalev caught Ward with a peach of a right hand in the 2nd round. Even Golovkin catching Jacobs and putting him down. Great boxers will adjust on the fly and that was definitely the case. I can give you a great game plan of beating Lomachenko but then you need to find a skilled enough fighter to implement it.

Errol Spence now is probably my favourite fighter but he should not be anywhere below 6th on the P4P list. He has only fought 1 elite fighter and was he elite at that. It’s not his fault as these fighters are scared to fight him

Lomachenko was running through everyone until he wasn't; Sosa, Marriage, and Rigondeaux were all able to stymie Loma in spots, and if you watched those fights, you'd see similar tactics that worked in all of the fights. Linares comes in with his experience and skills, plus seeing the other fights, and makes a real fight of it. Mikey Garcia watches those three fights plus the Linares fight, and he's got a rather complete gameplan to work with.

Whether Lomachenko wins every fight from here on in or loses every fight from here on in, the general blueprint has been set with those four fights. Control the range (long jab/clinch on the inside, a la safety-first Klitschko), stay tight/aware on defense, punch with Lomachenko, and force Lomachenko to lead (rather than simply wait on you to give him a chance to counter).

Talent is utterly key, but if the fighter has the talent, and understands what Loma brings to the table, it's going to be on Lomachenko to win fights in ways that are outside of the tools that he's largely built his run on.

[Scipio2009]

Your comments are generally on point but all this..... blueprint to beat Loma is nonsense. He got caught with a good shot, that’s it. Broner caught Porter with a similar shot in the 12th rd. **** happens it’s boxing. Kovalev caught Ward with a peach of a right hand in the 2nd round. Even Golovkin catching Jacobs and putting him down. Great boxers will adjust on the fly and that was definitely the case. I can give you a great game plan of beating Lomachenko but then you need to find a skilled enough fighter to implement it.

Errol Spence now is probably my favourite fighter but he should not be anywhere below 6th on the P4P list. He has only fought 1 elite fighter and was he elite at that. It’s not his fault as these fighters are scared to fight him

The knockdown isn't the point.

Adrien Broner does terrible when faced with someone ready and willing to bring the activity and can take a shot, whether he wins or not. Shawn Porter has real trouble with fighters who can match his physicality in the ring (remove the physicality and the pure boxing skills leave a lot to be desired). Kovalev seems to have issue with folks with boxing craft and toughness (some would call him a frontrunner, but it's clear that a lot of that could come down to simple stamina issues). Golovkin becomes downright ordinary when he can't set his feet and tee off or is forced to fight going backwards.

Floyd really did have issues with Mexican-style pressure; Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, "Chop Chop" Corley, Zab Judah early, Shane Moseley for that one minute, Cotto, Maidana. The difference is Floyd eventually realized that that was a problem, worked in the gym, and figured out a few tools that he could use to neutralize that problem for himself.

Maybe Lomachenko can do the same

[BigStomps]

Lipnets is very good. If anyone watches his fights can tell you this. I expect him to keep getting wins in the future. Anyone thinks he's some bum dont know sht about boxing!

Exactly! Tripps me out how some fools call Fighters from other countries bums just cause they've never heard of them or never seen them fight before.
Lipnets gave Mikey a hell of a fight and we all know Mikey is no scrub.
Lipnets is a very good fighter and he'll give anyone a tough fight!

[Noelanthony]

i was not taking about age you f-king village idiot, was talking the amount of fights in pro before accomplishing that and you cant take that away. peace and chicken grease!!!!

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[GoldenGloveLove]

I have him at number one but Crawford and Wangek give plenty of doubt. Usyk and Nietes might bring some more doubt by the end of the year, despite Nietes' age.

[Noelanthony]

The knockdown isn't the point.

Adrien Broner does terrible when faced with someone ready and willing to bring the activity and can take a shot, whether he wins or not. Shawn Porter has real trouble with fighters who can match his physicality in the ring (remove the physicality and the pure boxing skills leave a lot to be desired). Kovalev seems to have issue with folks with boxing craft and toughness (some would call him a frontrunner, but it's clear that a lot of that could come down to simple stamina issues). Golovkin becomes downright ordinary when he can't set his feet and tee off or is forced to fight going backwards.

Floyd really did have issues with Mexican-style pressure; Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, "Chop Chop" Corley, Zab Judah early, Shane Moseley for that one minute, Cotto, Maidana. The difference is Floyd eventually realized that that was a problem, worked in the gym, and figured out a few tools that he could use to neutralize that problem for himself.

Maybe Lomachenko can do the same

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[keith_head]

I definitely have him number 1 right now, but I don't think it's that cut-and-dried.

I don't rate all this multiple-divisions thing as much as you guys seem to. I think guys like Usyk, GGG and Spence - if they clear out their divisions - I think that's equally impressive. I think boxing as a whole would be better if guys went for undisputed in a division. So hell, even someone like the winner of AJ-Wilder is going to end up on my top pound-for-pound list. You can say that heavyweight isn't a strong division but what's to say that featherweight is?

If Usyk beats Gassiev I will have him up there as the best boxer in the world. Similarly if Crawford or Spence clear out welterweight I'd have them up there.