Comments Thread For: We Have Never Seen Anything Like Lomachenko

[Raggamuffin]

Foh lmao. I've seen guys better than him my whole life. The Gerry Cooley Syndrome strikes again!!!

[Redgloveman]

I love watching Lomachenko now just like I used to love watching Mayweather. They are completely different fighters with completely different styles.

I don't really see any need to compare them, in the same way that I don't really compare Mayweather and Pacquiao at their best weights because I don't think it's really necessary. They both provided me with huge amounts of entertainment and a sense of total awe at their skill.

To be honest, none of these fighters are in the GOAT discussion for me, and I don't really care who's considered the best of modern times, or whatever it is that people seem to be arguing on here.

Both fighters are great. Loma's here now, so I'm enjoying his journey while it's still here.

[HarvardBlue]

It's hard to take this article seriously. Lomachenko is special talent but he's not unique. I saw Lomachenko getting hit quite a bit on Saturday. I saw Lomachenko put on the seat of his pants. It wasn't a lucky punch. He didn't slip and fall. He made a very ordinary mistake that someone we never seen before is not supposed to make. I've always wondered what would happen if someone land punches while Lomachenko is busy trying to be the next big thing. For quite a few rounds he looked nothing like the special talent he's supposed to be when Linares mounted a good offense. If Linares didn't get stopped we would wondering if Lomachenko is really that special after all.

[hitking]

You mean when CASTILLO got robbed?

What happened in the rematch?

BTW, Castillo>Salido if you wanna compare “loses.”

[hitking]

why do you have to specify 130 and 135?
you just made my point

Would you rather compare Floyd and Lomachencko based on accomplishments by age thirty? Because at that point it becomes laughable. Floyd fought as a pro for twenty years. And unless Lomachencko is the second coming of Bernard Hopkins or Archie Moore. It’s gonna be extremely tough for him to match the twenty year run Floyd had.

[AdonisCreed]

Floyd was a 5div champ by the age of 30. Never was dropped. Oh also, he was undefeated and and would never lose to a guy of salido's caliber. People are so prisoners of the moment. Yes, Loma is great and I love to see him fight, but this "we've never seen anything like Loma" stuff is getting out of hand.

I agree with you 100% the guys a really good fighter but the title of the article is a little much!! We've seen a guy get knocked down and come back and win before and use angles and make adjustments. Loma is a good guy don't put this extra pressure on him because if he loses in the near future then what? Are they still going to say the same things about him? Probably not, just enjoy watching him fight without the extra.

[hitking]

It's hard to take this article seriously. Lomachenko is special talent but he's not unique. I saw Lomachenko getting hit quite a bit on Saturday. I saw Lomachenko put on the seat of his pants. It wasn't a lucky punch. He didn't slip and fall. He made a very ordinary mistake that someone we never seen before is not supposed to make. I've always wondered what would happen if someone land punches while Lomachenko is busy trying to be the next big thing. For quite a few rounds he looked nothing like the special talent he's supposed to be when Linares mounted a good offense. If Linares didn't get stopped we would wondering if Lomachenko is really that special after all.

Lomachencko getting dropped didn’t really bother me. It happens. The thing that took me by surprise is him being hit with combinations. The mark of a great defensive fighter is the ability to not be hit by more than one shot at a time. And to not be continual hit by the same shot multiple times. And both happen to him this past Sat night. Which kinda exposed what I’ve been saying. He’s a flashy defensive fighter. But he’s not an elite defensive fighter.

[Eddy Current]

Loma is a little twerp. If he tries fighting guys at 140 he'll just get manhandled.

[Redgloveman]

I think the Floyd comparison is a natural one due to the fact that Floyd was the previous generation’s P4P King. And they’re trying to anoint Lomachencko the next to hold that title. The comparison also picked up steam when “Fatass” Rafael said Lomachencko would either beat or be a tough out(can’t recall which one specifically) for Floyd at 130, which is laughable.

To be honest, from a skill standpoint, Lomachencko is very overrated and not even in the same zip code as Floyd. I think the better comparison is Manny. He reminds me more of a young Manny, with better footwork and less power. Lomachencko depends on his physical gifts more than Floyd did. His “skill set” is drastically overrated. He mostly relies on fast hands, quick feet, and reflexes.

I’m actually curious to see what happens to him once his physical gifts start to erode. Guys like Floyd and Hopkins continued to fight at a high level after the physical gifts started to fade because of their elite skill set. Guys like Roy Jones and Manny stayed on top for a long time because they were genetic freaks that were still ridiculously athletic well into their thirties. Lomachencko is already thirty. It’ll be interesting to see how long he hangs on the next couple years.

Good post, and I agree with the Pacquiao rather than Mayweather comparison.

I don't agree that Lomachenko is nowhere near as skilled as Floyd though. It's just that their skills are completely different skills so it slightly defies comparison.

Floyd had an incredible innate sense of distance and positioning. The way he would shut down his opponent's offence was just amazing to watch. His sense of where he could hit and not get hit is probably the best I've ever seen. Loma cannot do that, he just doesn't have the ability to do it (as far as we have seen)

Loma's much more like Pacquiao in that he gets his edge over his opponents by being extremely skilled and very athletic. They both look at their opponent and say "whatever you're bringing, I'll do it faster and at a higher level than you and I'll go to a place you can't match".

On the other hand Mayweather would be saying to his opponent "everything you've done before to get you to this point as a fighter won't work against me, because my knowledge of the game is so intensely high that I can distort the programming that you have trained into yourself as a fighter. I can stand in such a way that you think you can hit me when in actual fact you can't. I can also stand in such a way that you KNOW that you cannot launch an attack at me without being countered" (this last one was how he would completely shut down fighters' offence). It really was beautiful to watch, the pressure on Floyd's opponents at every moment in a fight was intense. This is a discussion for another time but I don't think Floyd would have matched up with Hearns well at all - Hearns's length would have given him fits imo.

Loma's not in the same zip-code as Floyd when it comes to that low-pace, potshotting, aggressive defence style; but it's not fair to equate that to a lack of "skills". The way that Loma could move around the pocket so fluidly and create angles to attack his opponent is actually better than Floyd in my opinion, even if he can't do that magician **** we saw Floyd do.

Enjoy both fighters on their own merits would be my advice.

[aztec_warriors]

Killing it

LOMA’s amateur career crsuhses FLOYD’s. period

Compare LOMA’s first 4 years as pro to FLOYD’s. crushed again

LOMA already fighting above his natural weight of 126. FLOYD’s only significant venture above 147 was a past prime DLH and drained 22 yr old CANELO