Comments Thread For: We Have Never Seen Anything Like Lomachenko

[hitking]

Good post, and I agree with the Pacquiao rather than Mayweather comparison.

I don't agree that Lomachenko is nowhere near as skilled as Floyd though. It's just that their skills are completely different skills so it slightly defies comparison.

Floyd had an incredible innate sense of distance and positioning. The way he would shut down his opponent's offence was just amazing to watch. His sense of where he could hit and not get hit is probably the best I've ever seen. Loma cannot do that, he just doesn't have the ability to do it (as far as we have seen)

Loma's much more like Pacquiao in that he gets his edge over his opponents by being extremely skilled and very athletic. They both look at their opponent and say "whatever you're bringing, I'll do it faster and at a higher level than you and I'll go to a place you can't match".

On the other hand Mayweather would be saying to his opponent "everything you've done before to get you to this point as a fighter won't work against me, because my knowledge of the game is so intensely high that I can distort the programming that you have trained into yourself as a fighter. I can stand in such a way that you think you can hit me when in actual fact you can't. I can also stand in such a way that you KNOW that you cannot launch an attack at me without being countered" (this last one was how he would completely shut down fighters' offence). It really was beautiful to watch, the pressure on Floyd's opponents at every moment in a fight was intense. This is a discussion for another time but I don't think Floyd would have matched up with Hearns well at all - Hearns's length would have given him fits imo.

Loma's not in the same zip-code as Floyd when it comes to that low-pace, potshotting, aggressive defence style; but it's not fair to equate that to a lack of "skills". The way that Loma could move around the pocket so fluidly and create angles to attack his opponent is actually better than Floyd in my opinion, even if he can't do that magician **** we saw Floyd do.

Enjoy both fighters on their own merits would be my advice.

What you have to understand about Floyd is that he was an offensive fighter as a jr lightweight. He adapted to the safety first, pot shoting style when he started fighting bigger guys and his power was no longer a factor. If you look at Floyd’s statistics, he had better numbers as a welterweight than a lightweight. But if you look behind the numbers. He did that by becoming less offensive. What makes Floyd better than Lomachencko as a lightweight is that Floyd was offensive minded, and still didn’t get caught as much as Lomachencko.

As for the Hearns-Floyd reference. I’m inclined to agree. The problem is I don’t consider the welterweight Floyd the best version of Floyd. So when I think of Floyd at his best against fellow ATGs, I tend to match him up with guys that were at their best below 147.

How do you think Lomachencko would have faired against Chico Corrales?

[Redgloveman]

What you have to understand about Floyd is that he was an offensive fighter as a jr lightweight. He adapted to the safety first, pot shoting style when he started fighting bigger guys and his power was no longer a factor. If you look at Floyd’s statistics, he had better numbers as a welterweight than a lightweight. But if you look behind the numbers. He did that by becoming less offensive. What makes Floyd better than Lomachencko as a lightweight is that Floyd was offensive minded, and still didn’t get caught as much as Lomachencko.

As for the Hearns-Floyd reference. I’m inclined to agree. The problem is I don’t consider the welterweight Floyd the best version of Floyd. So when I think of Floyd at his best against fellow ATGs, I tend to match him up with guys that were at their best below 147.

How do you think Lomachencko would have faired against Chico Corrales?

I completely agree, but I think that Mayweather was at his best towards the end of his career. Mayweather had extreme skills early in his career, no doubt, but I think that Lomachenko would have given him problems back then, particularly being a southpaw (though this would be to compare an inexperienced fighter with an experienced fighter so it might be unfair). I do think Mayweather is the superior fighter P4P if you compared both fighters aged 30, but I'm just saying you can't deny Loma's skills.

I honestly don't know a great deal about Corrales, aside from his famous matches with Castillo and Casamayor, he was just a little before my time since I'm 28. I don't think I'm qualified to compare them unfortunately.

[hitking]

LOMA’s amateur career crsuhses FLOYD’s. period

Compare LOMA’s first 4 years as pro to FLOYD’s. crushed again

LOMA already fighting above his natural weight of 126. FLOYD’s only significant venture above 147 was a past prime DLH and drained 22 yr old CANELO

Lomachencko ended his amateur career fighting at 132. So how did you arrive at his natural weight being 126?

In turn, Floyd started his career at 130. So how are only his jr middleweight fights see as “ventures up?” Was 135 not a venture up? You thought Linares was big. Castillo was a freaking sumo lightweight back in his day. What about 140, was that not a venture up for Floyd? If you were actually following boxing back then you’d know, there’s not a lot of years separating Floyd’s last fight at 130 and his welterweight debut. Maybe two or three. So one might say Floyd’s entire post jr lightweight career was a “venture up.”

[sammybee]

[QUOTE=bluzi;18769719]So to you he is not the real deal? i don't understand the qualification of Mikey , Loma is a great deal SMALLER then him why beating him will make him the real deal but beating the guys he had beat is not ? I never liked Floyd but he was right saying that its always the fighter i dont fight that will beat me , you can never satisfy the haters , the most dangerous guy is the one you dont fight , your statement is beyond dumb , please read again what you wrote/QUOTE]

You are dumb and a bum ...Mikey is a four division world champion and also undefeated. He is a champion at lightweight. Loma should be able to beat him if he is the real deal..boxing bouts are fought with weight not stature.

[Lomadeaux]

Floyd was a 5div champ by the age of 30. Never was dropped. Oh also, he was undefeated and and would never lose to a guy of salido's caliber. People are so prisoners of the moment. Yes, Loma is great and I love to see him fight, but this "we've never seen anything like Loma" stuff is getting out of hand.

Floyd is flat out one of the greatest fighters of all time.

Loma’s team learned the hard way from the Salido fight. They had a very long amateur career and the styles are very different. Mix that with the fact that he was nut shotted the entire fight and even almost stopped him in the 12th, that showing was still extremely impressive period, and at that it was his second pro fight.

There is a real lack of respect for fighters these days. I’m guessing it’s mostly because of memes and spending too much time looking at a computer screen.

[Thraxox]

What happened in the rematch?

BTW, Castillo>Salido if you wanna compare “loses.”

You people make some revisionist history as if the rematch was some sort of domination from Floyd. It was a close and competitive fight, much more competitive than Lomachenko-Linares.

[Diego Rodriguez]

Loma is a hell of a fighter, Floyd is a hell of a fighter. They are different styles. Had they mixed it up in prime would be a great scrap. That's what happens generally when great prime fighters face off. You fight enough times against other great fighters in their prime, and some time just off, and you lose.

[hitking]

I completely agree, but I think that Mayweather was at his best towards the end of his career. Mayweather had extreme skills early in his career, no doubt, but I think that Lomachenko would have given him problems back then, particularly being a southpaw (though this would be to compare an inexperienced fighter with an experienced fighter so it might be unfair). I do think Mayweather is the superior fighter P4P if you compared both fighters aged 30, but I'm just saying you can't deny Loma's skills.

I honestly don't know a great deal about Corrales, aside from his famous matches with Castillo and Casamayor, he was just a little before my time since I'm 28. I don't think I'm qualified to compare them unfortunately.

We definitely disagree on when Floyd was at his best. Floyd at 130 was just as good defensively, maybe better because he could not only make you miss in he pocket. He could counter with 5-6 combinations and use his legs to get outta harms way afterward. The welterweight Floyd couldn’t do that.

As for a matchup with Lomachencko. I just don’t see Lomachencko giving Floyd a lot of problems.

As for Corrales, he was a nightmare at jr lightweight. Obviously, his height made him very intimidating at 130lbs. But he was kinda Paul Williams-esque in that he didn’t really use his height as an advantage and was a better inside fighter than outside fighter. Biggest thing was his power. He hit guys, and they went stiff.

[hitking]

You people make some revisionist history as if the rematch was some sort of domination from Floyd. It was a close and competitive fight, much more competitive than Lomachenko-Linares.

I don’t ever think I said the rematch wasn’t competitive. But it was also a clear Floyd points win.

As for it being more competitive than Lomachencko-Linare. Exactly what fight were you watching this past Sat? Or were you even watching the fight at all, or just listening to the commentating? Lomachencko was down on one card and up about a point on the others. I had him down one round(two points because of the KD) going into the tenth. Please stop trying to pretend Lomachencko dominated every second of the fight and got caught with a lucky punch or got caught being lazy when he was dropped.

[markther]

Never seen anything like it? Nitwits are so easy to fall for the garbage. And boxing is thirsty to crown another star, it’s all propaganda, GTFOF-LOL...Lomo isn’t great yet. Not yet! Hasn’t beat any HOF’s or future HOF’s yet. I will reserve that tag until he actually does.

Great fighters who have wins against HOF’s & future HOF’s in their resumes. And don’t give me ****** theories why they aren’t reputable wins or age of fighters. I’m talking about wins “ON RECORD,” against HOF’s that LOMO doesn’t have to be considered “GREAT.”

Name (1) fighter Lomo has faced that will actually get into the HOF now or in the future.


Leonard-beat (4) HOF’s-Hagler, Duran, Hearns, Benitez

Mayweather-beat (7) HOF’s-Cotto, Mosley, De La Hoya, Alvarez, Marquez, Hatton, Gatti

Roy Jones-beat (3) HOF’s-Hopkins, Virgil Hill, Trinidad

PAC-beat (8) HOF’s-Barrera, Morales, Marquez, De La Hoya, Cotto, Mosley, Bradley, Hatton

Oscar-beat (3) HOF’s-Chávez, Whitaker, Camacho

Hopkins-beat (4) HOF’s-Winky Wright, Trinidad, Oscar, Roy Jones

Hearns-beat (4) HOF’s-Benitez, Durán, Virgil Hill, Cuevas, (drew against Leonard)

Trinidad-beat (3) HOF’s-Camacho, De La Hoya, Whitaker

Durán-beat (3) HOF’s-Buchanan, Leonard, Cuevas

Ali-beat (7) HOF’s-Foster, Frazier, Moore, Liston, Patterson, Norton, Foreman

Holyfield beat (5) HOF’s-Qawi, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Bowe (drew against Lennox Lewis)

Lennox Lewis- beat (3) HOF’s-Holyfield, Tyson, Vitali Klitschko

Tyson-beat (2) HOF’s-Holmes, Michael Spinks

Foreman-beat (3) HOF’s-Frazier, Norton, Qawi

Hagler-beat (2) HOF’s-Duran, Hearns

Marciano-beat (4) HOF’s-Louis, Walcott, Charles, Moore

Louis-beat (6) HOF’s-Conn, Charles, Walcott, Schmeling, Braddock, John Henry Lewis

Ray Robinson-beat (7) HOF’s-Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Jake LaMotta, Rocky Graziano, Gene Fullmer, Fritzie Zivic

Juan Manuel Marquez-beat (2) HOF’s-Pac, Barrera

WAKE ME UP when Lomo actually beats a HOF or future HOF or a “Great” fighter....