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  • landotter
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    #41
    Originally posted by MisanthropicNY
    This is an over-the-top comment. Not sure if you're just trolling. This fight actually let me know why Loma ducked the Pacquiao fight. Pacquiao would have probably KO'd him with a straight left even at this point.

    Loma should actually consider going back down to 130 and only fighting at 135 for big fights. I'd actually have Mikey as the slight favorite over Loma right now although I do think that Linares' reach caused Loma most of his problems. Mikey is actually moving back to 135 for his next fight if I'm not mistaking, and that would be a really tough fight for Loma.
    I am actually inclined to agree with this. There is a point of diminishing returns, and I think Lomachenko may have bumped up into it as far as moving up. He can obviously compete at 135, but it naturally puts him at a disadvantage in power. I think it is what happened to Roman Gonzalez, who kept climbing divisions sometimes after only a couple fights, and just got to a point where he no longer was able to translate his talents to overcome the power. I also worry about this with Terrance Crawford at 147- those top level guys will really punch through his great defense if he can't match their power to some degree.

    Lomachenko may need to move up or stay at 135 for top money fights, but I don't really think he should. He can flirt with "all time great" depending on his decisions over the rest of his career. Be a shame for him to lose that chance because he physically tried to do more than he naturally could.

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    • richardt
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      #42
      Originally posted by MASTERBX
      This was Lomachenko's "Jacobs Moment" he has been exposed!
      Are you ***ing brain dead??? In TWELVE fights, yes, TWELVE fights he has won 3 world championships. World record. Stay salty.

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      • Bronx2245
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        #43
        Originally posted by animelive
        Easter Jr. is not known to use his height very much. What you are showing as an advantage is actually a disadvantage for him. His height just makes it so he is very skinny as hell come fight night which affects his durability in the end.
        I think Easter Jr. thinks his size is advantage, but I wonder how hard he has to work to get to 135 @ 5'11"! My point is that you can't hate on Mikey and say he's looking for size advantages with Loma. He just fought 2 guys @ 140, and he's coming back down to 135, and he's fighting the biggest guy (much bigger than Linares) @ 135!

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          #44
          Originally posted by landotter
          I am actually inclined to agree with this. There is a point of diminishing returns, and I think Lomachenko may have bumped up into it as far as moving up. He can obviously compete at 135, but it naturally puts him at a disadvantage in power. I think it is what happened to Roman Gonzalez, who kept climbing divisions sometimes after only a couple fights, and just got to a point where he no longer was able to translate his talents to overcome the power. I also worry about this with Terrance Crawford at 147- those top level guys will really punch through his great defense if he can't match their power to some degree.

          Lomachenko may need to move up or stay at 135 for top money fights, but I don't really think he should. He can flirt with "all time great" depending on his decisions over the rest of his career. Be a shame for him to lose that chance because he physically tried to do more than he naturally could.
          If Lomachenko face Mikey Garcia, the winner becomes an ALL TIME GREAT immediately! Loma does have power, as seen by his KO shot to the liver! Tank is a good opponent, but Mikey Garcia is a GREAT opponent! Now, about that fight w/ Pacquiao @ 140? Nah, Loma should stay away from that!

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          • buddyr
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            #45
            Originally posted by Fabes88
            I think that’s the best fight that can be made in boxing today. Obviously Joshua vs wilder will be bigger but in terms of quality this is the one I really want to see.

            I think Mikeys expert timing will see him stop Lomachenko in the middle rounds but we will see. God damn I’m excited just thinking about it.
            unless Garcia looks like trash against Easter, that fight isn't happening any time soon.

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            • Bronx2245
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              #46
              Dan Rafael ESPN
              May 13, 2018:

              Before Saturday's fight, Lomachenko said he would remain at lightweight and give up his junior lightweight world title. If he sticks to his plan, he probably will face Raymundo Beltran in a lightweight world title unification fight. Beltran (35-7-1, 21 KOs) won a vacant title in February.

              "Beltran is the obvious opponent," Arum said.

              http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...tko-10th-round

              Would Floyd be crazy enough to have Tank fight Mikey Garcia, now that Loma will fight Beltran? I doubt it! I think Tank fights the Farmer vs. Dib winner! I think if Mikey beats Easter Jr., and he can't get a fight with Loma, he goes to 147, especially if DSG beats Porter! Loma should beat Beltran, and then rematch Linares. That was a great fight!

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              • buddyr
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                #47
                Originally posted by richardt
                Are you ***ing brain dead??? In TWELVE fights, yes, TWELVE fights he has won 3 world championships. World record. Stay salty.
                technically, it's the first, but since the WBO has became a world title(thanks to selling the Narrative that De la Hoya was a mw champ) now he's a 3 weight champ. This is bad for boxing and it has absolutely nothing to do with Loamachenko. I hate that the WBO has become a major title because that just opens the door for the IBO in about 15 years or so. There will never be a reigning undisputed champ any any weight class because each sanctioning body wants their 3% and we know fighters aren't fighting 4 times a year anymore.

                Add in that Arum controls the WBO. No one finds it su****ious that Crawford as soon as he moved up became the mandatory for the WBO? Arum is to the WBO like King was to the WBC. Beating linares was a great accomplishment. I picked him to win by stoppage on cuts so I wan't shocked really.

                The Problem with the red headed step child WBO being a "major" title is that it gives fighters a title that would not normally be champs. And now you have to go back and re-write history. Michael Moorer is a 3 time HW champ and Herbie Hide is a 2x hw champ. So this has absolutely nothing to do with Lomanchenko. It has to do with boxing as a whole.

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                • puroylan
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                  #48
                  Loma can still move up to 140 but needs to give his body time to adjust at 135. He move up to 135 too soon. His skills & IQ saved him last night. Unify first then go to 140. 147? Big NO! P4P? YES!

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                  • buddyr
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by considerthis
                    I think that kd was the best thing that coulda happened to loma...he seemed a bit overconfident and was believing his own hype. That let him know that you can't play around with the top guys...especially going up in weight.
                    Lomachenko did in this fight what my trainer once screamed on me years ago about doing. The pitty pat double jabbing to set up your opponent. I was doing it in sparring many years ago(I don't train anymore. I'm in my 40s) and he stopped the sparring and said, "DON'T EVER DO THAT!! You'll develop a rhythm of doing it and the right person is gonna come right over those pitty pats and time you". When u stick that jab out there, stick it out there with a purpose. I hope he learned from this

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                    • Goldie
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                      #50
                      People focus on the knock down as if linares wasnt touching him up in the rounds after the the knock down. Loma was actually on rubbery legs at one point. I give him a lot of props on coming back to get the ko but it also looked like linares just ran out of gas suddenly or he just quit.

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