Looks Like Mikey Garcia Will Be First Zuffa Boxing Fighter Signed

[bigdunny1]

From my understanding he is & has been sine 2015. Its been a long handshake deal if that is merely a handshake deal.

2015? He didn't even get out of his top rank deal until 2016 and has fought exactly 4 times starting later that year. Mikey and his brother/trainer since then have been extremely coy on revealing if they are officially signed with Haymon or not. Golden Boy had numerous handshake deals with fighters including Floyd who fought since 2007 to 2015 on nothing more then a handshake deal with Golden Boy. Top Rank had a handshake deal with Cotto from 2013 to 2015 and famously lost out on the Canelo fight after Top Rank negotiated all the parameters for that fight only for him to spur them and signed with Roc Nation making the fight with Top Rank out the loop. If you have anything concrete stating he has a contract with Haymon please let me know but I haven't found anything.

[filup79]

Is Mikey even signed with Haymon? There is debate whether he is or just on a fight by fight handshake agreement. And whether he keeps Haymon on or cuts him off in all capacities isn't as important as the question of who is picking the fights? If Dana is the one choosing the fights then this deal sucks for boxing fans because he is already on record saying he won't make fights with top rank, golden boy or showtime.

Mikey isn't signed to Haymon, he never was.

[filup79]

2015? He didn't even get out of his top rank deal until 2016 and has fought exactly 4 times starting later that year. Mikey and his brother/trainer since then have been extremely coy or revealing if they are officially signed with Haymon or not. Golden Boy had numerous handshake deals with fighters including Floyd who fought since 2007 to 2015 on nothing more then a handshake deal with Golden Boy. Top Rank had a handshake deal with Cotto from 2013 to 2015 and famously lost out on the Canelo fight after Top Rank negotiated all the parameters for that fight only for him to spur them and signed with Roc Nation making the fight with Top Rank out the loop. If you have anything concrete stating he has a contract with Haymon please let me know but I haven't found anything.

I know Mikey, Robert and their dad personally. He isn't signed with Haymon, never was. He did fight by fight deals with Showtime and Haymon.

[bigdunny1]

I know Mikey, Robert and their dad personally. He isn't signed with Haymon, never was. He did fight by fight deals with Showtime and Haymon.

I tend to believe this because he has been asked and it's always vague they just can't give a simple yes to the question. Any word if him signing to Dana White is real or not?

[filup79]

I tend to believe this because he has been asked and it's always vague they just can't give a simple yes to the question. Any word if him signing to Dana White is real or not?

Can't say, never asked about that, but it does look like he'll be fighting Easter next. Mikey wasn't trying to get stuck with another promoter, money talks so it might be possible unless they have a deal with some of Robert's other fighters and they co-promote some of Mikey's fights together.

[Eff Pandas]

2015? He didn't even get out of his top rank deal until 2016 and has fought exactly 4 times starting later that year.

Yes again I think you forget what Haymon does. He's not a promoter. He manages fighters. And a fighter can have a manager when they are fighting or not. From my understanding thats when Mikey aligned with Haymon.

Mikey and his brother/trainer since then have been extremely coy on revealing if they are officially signed with Haymon or not.

Why do guys need to reveal their manager/advisor deal? Which fighters do this? Virtually no one that I can think of. People are with a manager til they aren't is generally how that works & sometimes people don't like talking about it at all.

Golden Boy had numerous handshake deals with fighters including Floyd who fought since 2007 to 2015 on nothing more then a handshake deal with Golden Boy. Top Rank had a handshake deal with Cotto from 2013 to 2015 and famously lost out on the Canelo fight after Top Rank negotiated all the parameters for that fight only for him to spur them and signed with Roc Nation making the fight with Top Rank out the loop. If you have anything concrete stating he has a contract with Haymon please let me know but I haven't found anything.

And again off to the races with promoters. Haymon isn't a promoter bruh. Let it go.

But w/e the situation with Haymon & Mikey its not like Haymon is a shyster. Andre Dirrell wanted to leave mid deal & Haymon let him leave. I believe he let Matthysse disconnected from him when he wanted to fight for GBP instead of PBC. Haymon doesn't appear to operate like these sketchy promoters that you keep bringing up with contract deals. He seems to be saying if you can find someone to do a better job then me I'll cut you loose. Dirrell came back to Haymon. Lucas has been making about 3x less money with GBP (200k+) as he was with Haymon (700k+) so good luck with that.

[bigdunny1]

Yes again I think you forget what Haymon does. He's not a promoter. He manages fighters. And a fighter can have a manager when they are fighting or not. From my understanding thats when Mikey aligned with Haymon.



Why do guys need to reveal their manager/advisor deal? Which fighters do this? Virtually no one that I can think of. People are with a manager til they aren't is generally how that works & sometimes people don't like talking about it at all.



And again off to the races with promoters. Haymon isn't a promoter bruh. Let it go.

But w/e the situation with Haymon & Mikey its not like Haymon is a shyster. Andre Dirrell wanted to leave mid deal & Haymon let him leave. I believe he let Matthysse disconnected from him when he wanted to fight for GBP instead of PBC. Haymon doesn't appear to operate like these sketchy promoters that you keep bringing up with contract deals. He seems to be saying if you can find someone to do a better job then me I'll cut you loose. Dirrell came back to Haymon. Lucas has been making about 3x less money with GBP (200k+) as he was with Haymon (700k+) so good luck with that.

again with the semantics if he's not the defacto promoter then why are his fighters when asked who they are fighting next say well I have to see who haymon has for me? And if he wasn't the one picking all these fights then who was? Don't tell me you think Dibella or anyone of the rest of the sham promoters are picking the fights? I don't care if he is officially the promoter or not I care if he will be the one picking Mikey's fights or not if he signs with White. And the reason you don't have this debate with other fighters is because they flat out just tell you they are signed when asked. This has been a debate whether he is signed because Mikey and his brother have gone out of their way to not confirm that they are signed. I can't think of any other Haymon linked fighter that has done that. Either way someone else with inside knowledge with the Garcia's also saying he isn't signed with Haymon he is simply on a fight by fight deal.

[Eff Pandas]

again with the semantics if he's not the defacto promoter then why are his fighters when asked who they are fighting next say well I have to see who haymon has for me?

Because they DON'T have a promoter deal & managers OFTEN help narrow down next opponents in particular when the fighter is a free agent.

And if he wasn't the one picking all these fights then who was?

This is actually pretty established. Early on there were interviews with several PBC fighters/trainers (I remember Bread, J-Rock, a Charlo iirc & a few others) where they were talking & how Haymon did business got brought up. I believe virtually all of them said Haymon asked them or their trainer 3 guys they wanna fight & 3 guys they thought they could beat. And then from that info Haymon lined things up.

Don't tell me you think Dibella or anyone of the rest of the sham promoters are picking the fights?

I don't.

I don't care if he is officially the promoter or not I care if he will be the one picking Mikey's fights or not if he signs with White.

Thing is I don't believe a promoter can force you to fight anyone. In boxing or MMA. The promoter offers (or in Haymon's case he discusses a deal with both fighters & sends the done deal to the official promoter I assume) & the fighter yays or nays it.

And the reason you don't have this debate with other fighters is because they flat out just tell you they are signed when asked.

No they don't. Guys barely bring up their manager at all & most people don't care enough to ask. Haymon has made managing cool I guess or something to have this question getting asked more, but its also a bit of a loaded question due to the weird hate of Haymon by a segment of boxing fans to.

This has been a debate whether he is signed because Mikey and his brother have gone out of their way to not confirm that they are signed. I can't think of any other Haymon linked fighter that has done that.

I think about half or more of the guys linked with Haymon haven't 100% confirmed they are with Haymon.

Either way someone else with inside knowledge with the Garcia's also saying he isn't signed with Haymon he is simply on a fight by fight deal.

That could be correct. Maybe he's signed. Maybe he's got a handshake deal thats been lucrative for years now by both parties. With how Mikey thought he got effed over with Arum a long term handshake deal with Haymon for the last 3ish years wouldn't be an unreasonable expectation. I seem to recall thats about when Mikey got into buying a lot of houses & sh^t which seems one of the often used devices to help his fighters prepare for their lives post-boxing. I believe Haymon got Paul Williams setup for life BEFORE he got suddenly paralyzed in his motorcycle accident a few years back. Haymon is a good manager for boxing & outside of boxing it seems.

[bigdunny1]

I believe he let Matthysse disconnected from him when he wanted to fight for GBP instead of PBC. Haymon doesn't appear to operate like these sketchy promoters that you keep bringing up with contract deals. He seems to be saying if you can find someone to do a better job then me I'll cut you loose. Dirrell came back to Haymon. Lucas has been making about 3x less money with GBP (200k+) as he was with Haymon (700k+) so good luck with that.

Do we know that he let him out or that he like Mikey wasn't on a fight by fight basis and had no choice in Lucas leaving him. As for Lucas just won the lotto getting the Pacquaio fight, a fight he almost certainly would not of gotten under Haymon. Let's wait and see what his purse is for that fight I'm betting it's by far a career high and we can rate how it compares to what other fighters are getting when those details come out. Jessie Vargas made 2.8M to fight Pacquaio when he was still signed to Top Rank. He made peanuts since signing with Haymon. Only 500K to fight Broner and probably 100K if he's lucky to fight Herrera on a cheap FS1 card. Easy to cherry pick and choose what purses you want to look at and which ones to ignore.

[Eff Pandas]

Do we know that he let him out or that he like Mikey wasn't on a fight by fight basis and had no choice in Lucas leaving him.

Well true, the details like I keep saying are rarely known like that with manager agreements. But from most accounts he had some to a lot of juice to stop those relationships from breaking when they did, but he doesn't operate like that. From virtually every account of Haymon ever, except his forum haters, the guy is a cat who's damn near got an altruistic angle towards boxers due to how his brother got f#cked in the game.

As for Lucas just won the lotto getting the Pacquaio fight, a fight he almost certainly would not of gotten under Haymon.

True. But I bet he's getting less for that to vs what he woulda gotten vs non-Manny guys so ultimately Lucas' bank account in his last years in this sport woulda been better off with Haymon. Like I said I think he's lost about a mill in purse income, give or take, vs what he'd have likely gotten with Haymon vs what he got with GBP.