Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua vs. Deontay Wilder: It's Complicated

[BreakingBox]

It seems to me, that nobody is allowed to make an offer to fight Joshua. He is his own brand. He has endorsements, sponsorships, and network contracts and responsibilities. If Haymon/Finkel staged one of his fights, then they would own all rights to the fight and would control any other brands/logos that are seen during the fight. Do you think that they would allow Joshua to display any of his endorsement brands?

[whatda]

whatda

is all about greedy promoters and boxers mocking around and forgetting the fans that their money making it all happens for them..so why messing with such a huge opportunity messing around with it,,what waiting one of boxers finally spoils his perfect record and loss to new challenger??then Joshua vs wilder would loss all it's value,,this is huge for both boxers,,even win or loss would stay like rumble in jungle... is so ****** thing if they not facing this two boxers next,,Joshua would get all belts if win..and wilder would show his belt and 40 wins really meant something

[landotter]

I wonder how serious either side is with named fighters already interested in next fights for both of them. I still think both men want this fight and both men realize they need each other for legacy. But unlike the boxing fans and media, niether man thinks he has to fight the other yet. They both see their own personal brand as either just hitting stride (Wilder) or being huge enough there is still good money and fights to be made without the biggest one out there (Joshua). Do I believe there was a 50 million dollar offer? I think there may have, but I am sure Joshua's team does not.

If this doesn't get done soon, it isn't next. But I still have zero doubt it happens. Just hope it is before either of them slip up.

[Ake-Dawg]

It seems to me, that nobody is allowed to make an offer to fight Joshua. He is his own brand. He has endorsements, sponsorships, and network contracts and responsibilities. If Haymon/Finkel staged one of his fights, then they would own all rights to the fight and would control any other brands/logos that are seen during the fight. Do you think that they would allow Joshua to display any of his endorsement brands?

The answer to why Hearn needs to see details before explicitly agreeing to the dollar amount!

[Noelanthony]

I personally could give a **** less if they share a public urinal never mind a boxing ring as I think they are both highly over-rated - Wilder especially, but it's creating hype for the madding crowd which I guess is what they want

So what do you want? Other than to tell us they are overrated? Who in your eyes is not overhyped?

[SUBZER0ED]

Complicated! There are far more complicated issues in the world than getting two HW fighters in the ring. If these two really want to fight each other, they will...and not when they are damned near 40!

[lex_fugitive]

Easy to answer this one. You take all the arguments you believed in for the 'how can you have a champion who is so scared of another heavyweight that he turns down $12.5mn and you recycle them switching the new amount and adding a couple of lines about conducting business via social media and refusing to discuss detail or even have a meeting.




Until they meet in the ring this will remain a topic of speculation. However there are still useful ways of objectively assessing the relative merits of each fighter. This includes looking at the respective records of each man, the quality and rankings of their opposition, the best win on each respective resume and the progression of sir relative careers.

I look forward to you backing up yr assertion using those criteria.

Are you ******ed? Wilder turned down a flat fee of $12.5 million because he isn't going to give AJ an 80-20 split. Duh. That isn't hard to figure out.

But AJ actually asked for a $50 million guarantee and said he would agree immediately. Wilder gave him that offer.

Its not just adding some lines, they are called facts. Yes, Wilder is not going to give AJ 80+ percent of the purse. And why offer a flat fee if AJ isn't scared??? Wilder's offer is for $50 million and if it is over $100 million it is a 50-50 split.

AJ demanded $50 million, and got it, and now he is still scared. Here suck on this while the rest of the world laughs at how chickens*** AJ is.

[lex_fugitive]

Hearn has repeatedly said he's fine with the money offered but needs to have proof and needs to know the rest of the details. No sure how anyone can pin the blame on Hearn and AJ when it's Wilders camp who dont want to meet and negotiate, very odd.

Hearn needs proof from Haymon, Showtime, and Finkel that they will pay?!?!???

All three have been in the fight game since Betty was in diapers and have never not honored a boxing contract. He needs proof? Fine, have him call Manny or McGregor. Ask them if Showtime and Haymon paid or if they tried to stiff them.

Betty and AJ get the blame for saying they do not trust the manager with over 200 fighters and 20+ years of experience, Showtime which has been honoring their contracts with boxers going all the way back to Mike Tyson, and Finkel who has been in boxing 20+ years and has also always paid what he signs in a contract.

It is Showtime and Haymon. No one doubts that Haymon and Showtime will not honor a contract they sign.

That and Betty said he can't negotiate because he would rather call names then have his fighter get a guaranteed $50 million.

Showtime and Haymon don't need to prove they have **** because it is already well known both always pay what is in the contract. That is a b.s. excuse, and that is why the entire world outside of a handful of people in England are laughing at how scared he is.

[lex_fugitive]

Complicated! There are far more complicated issues in the world than getting two HW fighters in the ring. If these two really want to fight each other, they will...and not when they are damned near 40!

It is not up to AJ. When Wilder sent his offer, AJ immediately tweeted something saying "Let's get it on then!" Then Hearn came out and said he did not trust Al Haymon and Showtime and Finkel to honor a contract. Then he said, he cannot negotiate because he isn't mature enough to not name call. Wilder has Finkel, Haymon, and Showtime vouching to pay and they are pushing the issue. AJ said he wants the fight and the $50 million. Then Hearn came running in with b.s. excuses.

They want the fight, but the question is how long is AJ's contract with Betty, and does AJ want the fight and the $50 million more than he wants to be buddies with Hearn? Everyone involved including both fighters have said they want this. The only person who has came up with excuses and not said they want this fight is Hearn.

[SUBZER0ED]

It is not up to AJ. When Wilder sent his offer, AJ immediately tweeted something saying "Let's get it on then!" Then Hearn came out and said he did not trust Al Haymon and Showtime and Finkel to honor a contract. Then he said, he cannot negotiate because he isn't mature enough to not name call. Wilder has Finkel, Haymon, and Showtime vouching to pay and they are pushing the issue. AJ said he wants the fight and the $50 million. Then Hearn came running in with b.s. excuses.

They want the fight, but the question is how long is AJ's contract with Betty, and does AJ want the fight and the $50 million more than he wants to be buddies with Hearn? Everyone involved including both fighters have said they want this. The only person who has came up with excuses and not said they want this fight is Hearn.

I understand what you are saying, but I don't completely buy it. The fighters are the stars, and while they may not work out the details, they can direct those who do to get it done.