Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua vs. Deontay Wilder: It's Complicated

[Noelanthony]

They've both fought pretty much the same level of comp. Wilders fought DOUBLE the amount. The only difference btwn the two is that Hearn & Crew has done an extraordinary job in commercial promotional campaigning hype for AJ.

He (AJ) didnt need much in the way of promoting in a country devoid of any type of champion like him (good lookin', muscular gold medal olympian). Lennox was your last bonafide champ that many of you all didnt even like and who wasnt promoted half as good as AJ......

we have TONS of champions out here in every sport (I'm not exaggerating), and we have superstars from colleges, high schools and minor leagues just waiting for the "drafts" to join in on the pro level. Kids & adults have their "ride or die" they roll with till the end of their careers.

AJ has NOTHING OVER Wilder except well placed "HYPE!" and its the reason Hearn doesnt "want to know" where the 50mil comes from and why he's all of a sudden decided not to "OVERPAY" Wilder, but gladly "OVERPAID" prior "lesser" opposition (u don't like the term "bums")....

I do agree with you that geographical location has definitely played a significant part in their success story . In fact only a fool will contest that however, it is my assertion alsothat the reason Deontay didn’t have vast support even within boxing circles was because of the low level of competition.coupled with non existing promoting. Look at Deontay’s popularity level in the last 1 year. Again in regards to their resumes they are very similar as you explained with Joshua having the notable meaningful fights ... I.e unification fights. Outside Parker, Klitscho and possibly Whyte they are all bums and for Wilder baring Ortiz and Stiverne they are all bums just a longer list of bums which then is outlandish a Wilder fan will then take the avenue of attack by insulting Team AJ on the number of bums he has faced.

[lion33lit]

I do agree with you that geographical location has definitely played a significant part in their success story . In fact only a fool will contest that however, it is my assertion alsothat the reason Deontay didn’t have vast support even within boxing circles was because of the low level of competition.coupled with non existing promoting. Look at Deontay’s popularity level in the last 1 year. Again in regards to their resumes they are very similar as you explained with Joshua having the notable meaningful fights ... I.e unification fights. Outside Parker, Klitscho and possibly Whyte they are all bums and for Wilder baring Ortiz and Stiverne they are all bums just a longer list of bums which then is outlandish a Wilder fan will then take the avenue of attack by insulting Team AJ on the number of bums he has faced.

U make obvious sense, youre a bonafide "thinker."......The "bum" treatment on the shorter list is only because they (Brit fans) somehow automatically believe AJ is a better fighter, person, role model etc., simply because he's blindly adored by everyone on the other side of the pond. Men get drunk to go see him, girls wish they could hold him.....

AJ would be simply be one of the many "greats" out here, not a demigod, he'd have his loyal fans and tons of hater-fans critisizing him to death in order to prove himself against someone worthy - its really tough over here for pretty boy athletes that hog the spotlight - to the point where it can morph into cruelty.

AJ seems like a cool kid, but so is Wilder. Theres nothing about AJ that screams "better," except superficial muscle looks crap (and even that is a matter of opinion). Theyve both said foolish things that needs apologies (Wilder has apologized).......theyre both mentally "kids" in a way, they'd probably most likely like each other if they knew each other outside of boxing.

Hearn is "slick," but not slick enough for us over here. We've had the best of the best & the greediest of the greedy in promoters and athletes. America LEADS the WORLD in worst of the worst and the best of the best! AJ CAN beat Wilder with a strategic game plan, but silly "HYPE" hysteria doesnt make us believe he can do it, not AT ALL, and continuously hiding behind his promoters every trick shows he may be lacking in the most important fundamental part of the pro boxing athlete: his mind. Cheers to you Noelanthony, but your champion needs to speak up for himself and DEMAND the fight. We BOTH know what a hungry fighter looks like.....

[lion33lit]

Noelanthony......and we BOTH know which camp has already aquired TONS of money, and which camp wants even MUCH MORE by saying, "we have a guy who is making all of this money, and can continue doing so, in RISK FREE fights. Now youre asking our guy to be in the biggest fight of his career for a little MORE"......doesnt sound like true championship material to me, sounds like a money hog who's afraid to fall off the money train.

[Noelanthony]

Noelanthony......and we BOTH know which camp has already aquired TONS of money, and which camp wants even MUCH MORE by saying, "we have a guy who is making all of this money, and can continue doing so, in RISK FREE fights. Now youre asking our guy to be in the biggest fight of his career for a little MORE"......doesnt sound like true championship material to me, sounds like a money hog who's afraid to fall off the money train.

I agree but isn’t it true. That’s the problem with everyone the minute you acknowledge the other sides strengths or you are not as vocal as the other side you are deemed weak. Don’t get me wrong when Deontay was hollering and ranting for the last 6 months and Joshua was quiet like a pet hamster it use to irk me too. If we were to go off what an individual said or their bravado ,Broner would be undefeated and Kovalev would be in jail for killing Andre ward. I as a AJ fan am under no illusion that if come fight and Deontay connects on our chin we are French kissing the canvas with our eyes clothes......... Accept there is a very live risk in front of you ,train and especially reward yourself financially of this risk( Eddie I believe is doing that as that is his chief concern being he is not the one entering the ring) win or lose both fighters will not retire and if I’m being brutally honest Deontay needs to win this fight more than the other way round simply from a money perspective.( whether we like to admit it that’s all that really matters)

[LetOutTheCage]

Hearn needs proof from Haymon, Showtime, and Finkel that they will pay?!?!???

All three have been in the fight game since Betty was in diapers and have never not honored a boxing contract. He needs proof? Fine, have him call Manny or McGregor. Ask them if Showtime and Haymon paid or if they tried to stiff them.

Betty and AJ get the blame for saying they do not trust the manager with over 200 fighters and 20+ years of experience, Showtime which has been honoring their contracts with boxers going all the way back to Mike Tyson, and Finkel who has been in boxing 20+ years and has also always paid what he signs in a contract.

It is Showtime and Haymon. No one doubts that Haymon and Showtime will not honor a contract they sign.

That and Betty said he can't negotiate because he would rather call names then have his fighter get a guaranteed $50 million.

Showtime and Haymon don't need to prove they have **** because it is already well known both always pay what is in the contract. That is a b.s. excuse, and that is why the entire world outside of a handful of people in England are laughing at how scared he is.

Yes you would be a fool to take someones word and agree to a fight without a contract or proof that the funding is even there.