So after the PR stunt, this comes out??

[Ray*]

You're trippin.

Still don’t get that.

[N/A]

This is a PR stunt.

The money is real. If you think for one second that Hearn says yes and then the money isn't there, you're crazy. Haymon & Finkel have done all of the biggest fights from the 1980s until now. Seriously. Look it up. Pretty much every single one of the biggest fights in history has had Haymon or Finkel involved. It's absolutely nuts to suggest that Finkel is bluffing about the money.

For that amount of money i would expect someone to sit down and iron out details. Not cancel meetings that would help propel negotiations.

YES OF COURSE! YOU'RE 100% RIGHT! But the problem is that Hearn wouldn't confirm that it was enough money. If it's not enough money, there aren't any details to iron out!

If I want to buy your couch for $500, we would have to figure out how I am paying the money, what day I'd be picking up the couch, etc. But none of that matters if you won't accept $500 for the couch!

I don't have a horse in this race. I make $0 from this fight. I would have no problem saying Wilder's side is the reluctant side if that were the case. But knowing how fights are negotiated, and making my living negotiating fights, to me it's very obvious which side wants the fight more. If it's not obvious to you, that's fine. You enjoy watching fights. I don't expect you to understand the nuance of fight negotiations. But I've explained over and over how the biggest fights are made and waddya know, Finkel goes ahead and publishes a list of recent examples saying exactly what I've been saying.

HEARN DID NOT SEND A CONTRACT WITH HIS OFFER TO DEONTAY. Why? Because that's not how it works. So when Hearn uses no contract being sent to him as an excuse, that's all it is, an excuse. Hearn has the biggest cash cow in the sport. Why the **** would he want to rush into a fight with the most dangerous puncher on the planet?!?

I'm not saying Wilder would win. It could go either way. I'm just saying that if you have the biggest cash cow on planet Earth, why would you be eager to rush him into a fight with the biggest puncher on planet Earth? It's common sense. Eddie is incredibly intelligent. One of the best promoters in the world. Common sense tells us he would be an idiot to be eager to make this fight right away.

[Curt Henning]

The money is real. If you think for one second that Hearn says yes and then the money isn't there, you're crazy. Haymon & Finkel have done all of the biggest fights from the 1980s until now. Seriously. Look it up. Pretty much every single one of the biggest fights in history has had Haymon or Finkel involved. It's absolutely nuts to suggest that Finkel is bluffing about the money.




YES OF COURSE! YOU'RE 100% RIGHT! But the problem is that Hearn wouldn't confirm that it was enough money. If it's not enough money, there aren't any details to iron out!

If I want to buy your couch for $500, we would have to figure out how I am paying the money, what day I'd be picking up the couch, etc. But none of that matters if you won't accept $500 for the couch!

I don't have a horse in this race. I make $0 from this fight. I would have no problem saying Wilder's side is the reluctant side if that were the case. But knowing how fights are negotiated, and making my living negotiating fights, to me it's very obvious which side wants the fight more. If it's not obvious to you, that's fine. You enjoy watching fights. I don't expect you to understand the nuance of fight negotiations. But I've explained over and over how the biggest fights are made and waddya know, Finkel goes ahead and publishes a list of recent examples saying exactly what I've been saying.

HEARN DID NOT SEND A CONTRACT WITH HIS OFFER TO DEONTAY. Why? Because that's not how it works. So when Hearn uses no contract being sent to him as an excuse, that's all it is, an excuse. Hearn has the biggest cash cow in the sport. Why the **** would he want to rush into a fight with the most dangerous puncher on the planet?!?

I'm not saying Wilder would win. It could go either way. I'm just saying that if you have the biggest cash cow on planet Earth, why would you be eager to rush him into a fight with the biggest puncher on planet Earth? It's common sense. Eddie is incredibly intelligent. One of the best promoters in the world. Common sense tells us he would be an idiot to be eager to make this fight right away.

end of any discussion right here

[McNulty]

Still don’t get that.

You're tweakin.

[Ray*]

The money is real. If you think for one second that Hearn says yes and then the money isn't there, you're crazy. Haymon & Finkel have done all of the biggest fights from the 1980s until now. Seriously. Look it up. Pretty much every single one of the biggest fights in history has had Haymon or Finkel involved. It's absolutely nuts to suggest that Finkel is bluffing about the money.




YES OF COURSE! YOU'RE 100% RIGHT! But the problem is that Hearn wouldn't confirm that it was enough money. If it's not enough money, there aren't any details to iron out!

If I want to buy your couch for $500, we would have to figure out how I am paying the money, what day I'd be picking up the couch, etc. But none of that matters if you won't accept $500 for the couch!

I don't have a horse in this race. I make $0 from this fight. I would have no problem saying Wilder's side is the reluctant side if that were the case. But knowing how fights are negotiated, and making my living negotiating fights, to me it's very obvious which side wants the fight more. If it's not obvious to you, that's fine. You enjoy watching fights. I don't expect you to understand the nuance of fight negotiations. But I've explained over and over how the biggest fights are made and waddya know, Finkel goes ahead and publishes a list of recent examples saying exactly what I've been saying.

HEARN DID NOT SEND A CONTRACT WITH HIS OFFER TO DEONTAY. Why? Because that's not how it works. So when Hearn uses no contract being sent to him as an excuse, that's all it is, an excuse. Hearn has the biggest cash cow in the sport. Why the **** would he want to rush into a fight with the most dangerous puncher on the planet?!?

I'm not saying Wilder would win. It could go either way. I'm just saying that if you have the biggest cash cow on planet Earth, why would you be eager to rush him into a fight with the biggest puncher on planet Earth? It's common sense. Eddie is incredibly intelligent. One of the best promoters in the world. Common sense tells us he would be an idiot to be eager to make this fight right away.

Firstly I think Wilder knocks AJ out. Secondly check my first few post on this when the offer was announced, I thought it was real and I still want to believe it’s real.

Just because I believe the offer is real doesn’t mean I still don’t think it’s a PR stunt. Definitely a PR stunt, for that amount of money you get off social media and lock yourselves in a room and sort it out.

Eddie isn’t as intelligent as you guy think he is. He is an opportunist. But am not speaking about Hearn here, am speaking about 50m and people sitting down and talking. So for me it is a PR stunt.

To be honest, this is my last post on all of this, nothing is going to change my mind about it. I have already made a promise to ignore any reply in regards to this two fighters teams. And am done here, so nice chatting to you.

[N/A]

Firstly I think Wilder knocks AJ out. Secondly check my first few post on this when the offer was announced, I thought it was real and I still want to believe it’s real.

You may very well be right about Wilder knocking AJ out. I don't see it as a sure thing, but it's very possible. Wilder tends to give away a lot of rounds and Joshua is a great fighter and very large. Wilder can go head hunting for 12 rounds but if he doesn't hit the big punch, it could be tough for Wilder to win.

As for the offer, it's definitely real. That doesn't mean it's wise for Hearn to accept, but the offer is definitely real. Haymon has the full backing of Showtime on this. If the fight flops, the fight flops, but Showtime is willing to take the chance and so is Wilder.

So put yourself in Hearn's shoes. Maybe Hearn agrees with you that Wilder knocks AJ out. If that's the case, isn't it Hearn's professional duty to invent excuses to delay this fight?

Just because I believe the offer is real doesn’t mean I still don’t think it’s a PR stunt. Definitely a PR stunt

Agree with you 100% again. It's a real offer that was announced the way it was announced as a PR stunt. To put maximum pressure on Hearn if he turns it down. If you make that offer in secret, Hearn can just say no and then go on IFL and say whatever he wants. 100% a PR stunt, but also 100% a real offer.

for that amount of money you get off social media and lock yourselves in a room and sort it out.

Yes of course, but there is a reason why in boxing (and some other industries) that you don't lock yourself in the room unless there is at least a general understanding in principle on the money. Otherwise, you risk spending all of this time hammering out all of these other details, only for the other party to say at the end, "well I never actually said yes to the 50 million, so I'm really gonna need 60 or the deal is off."

Remember, Duco refused to meet with Hearn until there was a general understanding in principle on the financial split. Did that mean Duco didn't want the AJ fight? No, of course not. They just weren't going to give Eddie the leverage at the end of the negotiation to say, "well I didn't technically say yes to 33%, it's actually going to have to be 30%." Working out the smaller details is often a huge pain in the ass and very time consuming that people don't go through all of that until the money has been worked out.

Arum needed to know that Haymon could live with 60/40 before sitting down to work out the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight.

Arum wouldn't sit down with Finkel for Holyfield-Foreman until 62/38 had been agreed upon.

It's been this way forever.

Eddie isn’t as intelligent as you guy think he is. He is an opportunist. But am not speaking about Hearn here, am speaking about 50m and people sitting down and talking. So for me it is a PR stunt.

Hearn is obviously a very bright guy. Yes he had the advantage of inheriting a business, but he's done an incredible job of building it to bigger and better heights. I can't say a single bad thing about how Hearn conducts business. He's very very good.

But nobody is going to sit down with him to discuss the details until Hearn confirms that 50 would be acceptable if the details check out. It's just common sense. You're giving Hearn too much power in the negotiation if you agree to discuss small details before there's a mutual understanding on the money. If it doesn't make sense to you, that's fine. I'm just telling you how these things work. You don't have to understand it. For all I know you are a nuclear physicist and you could try to explain until you're blue in the face the details of your profession and I would probably never understand.

[H-Tok]

Eddie Hearn said that weeks ago that this fight is already signed behind closed doors. Seems like he was right all along. People here still defending Wilder and his team who are not even willing to negotiate are just purely pathetic. I mean i get that you have some bias to fighters from your homecountry, but damn this goes to far.

The truth!!

[OnePunch]

So why can't Hearn and AJ have some sort of understanding on where the money is coming by having a meeting they asked for to better understand it.. before committing and saying "we accept"

You know damn well if they said it and sat down and then weren't happy with the other particulars such as marketing.. venue control etc and said no we aren't doing that,, that wilder fanboys Including you three on this shill account would cry duck.

exactly. I know this is all posturing from both sides. I've known Shelly for probably 20 years. He is as sharp as they come. There is NO FRIGGIN WAY he would let his client (Wilder) miss out on an 8-figure payday just because Hearn wanted to meet in person.

If that were accurate, Shelly would be the ******est manager in the world, and I can assure you he is no such thing.